| > they were in the car when I purchased it in December of 2004, so  
> they are at
> least 4 1/2 years old. is it time???
In my experience batteries have the uncanny ability to last one month  
past the warranty and then die. My other experience is that the  
"helmet" connecters become enlarged after years of cleaning/corrosion  
and no longer make a good connection, so new cable ends may be in order.
Allen Hess
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