Bravo. I agree with you 100%. If there was only
one moddel car and one model motorcycle available
in the world, think what a boring place it would
be. I have raced and ridden 2 strokes, 4
strokes, singles, twins, multies, Japanese,
American, Brit and European bikes! There is no
way to say there is a "best" - they are all
different with different strengths and
weaknesses. It's like comparing apples and
oranges. If you want an orange, don't get an
apple.
Even now, I've got a Harley, two vintage
two-strokes, a BMW and a vintage Kawasaki in my
shed.
Dick J
--- "Clay, Dale" <Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com>
wrote:
> I'd like to appologize to anyone offended by my
> PS. My real point was
> everyone should be doing their own thing.
> There has been too much "us vs.
> them" in motorcycles both ways.
>
> I've owned and raced Japanse, European AND
> American bikes, carts and cars.
> I make no judgements on what anybody here does.
> I enjoy the diversity.
>
> Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Amo [mailto:jkamo@rapidnet.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:33 PM
> To: Clay, Dale
> Cc: 'Dave Dahlgren'; Ed Van Scoy; tim schoeny;
> Skip Higginbotham; John
> Beckett; land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Additives
>
>
> """PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still
> running strong. When was the
> last
> time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on the
> street? Yeah, a few maybe
> and that's cool when you do. """
>
> THE POINT BEING, THOSE JAP BIKES YOU SEE THAT
> OLD RUNNING AROUND, HAVE NOT
> BEEN
> APART, HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT 50 YR OLD MOTOR
> BEEN APART?, and you must
> realize that 20 yr old Kaw (and other jap
> stuff) has run with turbos
> (Charlie
> Toy, Don Vesco) with nearly ALL stock internals
> from 230 to 330 mph!!!!
>
> AND when you compare the hp per liter engine
> size vs miles between rebuilds,
> well...........................
>
> Joe (knowing full well why Harley Factory
> offers a MOTOR rebuild program for
> the
> NEW EVO motors) Amo
>
> "Clay, Dale" wrote:
>
> > Hey Dave, take it easy on us old air cooled,
> push rod guys. Your same
> > arguments could apply to flatheads, but I
> don't want them to go away!
> > Different strokes, ya know ...
> >
> > Plenty of race Harley's run synthetics (Red
> Line, Amsoil, Mobile 1, etc.)
> > and do just fine. One reason I suspect
> Harley doesn't want you running
> > synthetics is they have oil refined for them
> under their own label and a
> lot
> > of the new Harley riders are afraid to use
> anything not recommended by The
> > Motor Company (emphasis added).
> >
> > I'm really glad to see this string take off,
> good stuff.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still
> running strong. When was the
> last
> > time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on
> the street? Yeah, a few maybe
> > and that's cool when you do. Hey it's like
> women; some like tall blondes,
> > some red heads with freckles, some even like
> the round sort. Vive le
> > difference!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Dahlgren
> [mailto:ddahlgren@snet.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:30 AM
> > To: Ed Van Scoy
> > Cc: tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John
> Beckett;
> > land-speed@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: Additives
> >
> > Ed you do realize why 90% or all harleys
> built are still on
> > the road today don't you?
> > It's because the other 10% made it home in
> one piece.......
> > Aren't these the engines so ineffiecnt that
> they pretty much
> > race against themselves. They quote #'s like
> 120 hp for a
> > hot rod piece at 110 inches.. geez some kid
> in a old
> > Kawasaki street bike can out run that..they
> might want to
> > swap that thing out for Chucks old datsun
> piece..
> >
> > And a quiz question for the list what is the
> largest engine
> > builder in the world in volume of engines
> sold per year
> > sheer number of engines..
> > Dave Dahlgren
> >
> > Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, Corvette comes from the factory
> filled with Mobil 1 synthetic, so
> > they
> > > obviously aren't worried about break-in.
> Since we are on this topic,
> > question for
> > > bike guys (or others) Do you use synthetic
> oil? Reason I ask is there is
> a
> > raging
> > > argument in the Harley world about pros &
> cons of synthetics. Mobil 1
> > already makes
> > > an air-cooled engine synthetic.......Lots
> of manufacturers use
> > semi-synthetic from
> > > the factory. Harley will void your warrenty
> if they find it in your
> > bike........For
> > > some reason the manual says that if you
> find the oil level low on your
> > Harley &
> > > Harley oil isn't available, use diesel oil!
> Can any of you lube-gurus
> > explain that
> > > to me?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > tim schoeny wrote:
> > >
> > > > My cam grinder and short block builder
> both recommend "conventional"
> oil
> > for
> > > > break-in and then(if you want) synthetic
> for racing..Honda rings take
> > forever to
> > > > seat and starting out with syn. is not
> recommended.Just what I do.
> > > >
> Tim
> > Schoeny
> > > >
> > > > Skip Higginbotham wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > By the way, if you put Pro-blend in a
> new engine's oil it will take
> > about 5
> > > > > times longer to break the rings in.
> Guess where the benefit is?
> Better
> > > > > lubrication.
> > > > > S
> > > > >
> > > > > Not true, John.
> > > > > Break-in should take about 10% longer
> but there is no reason not to
> > use the
> > > > > oil.
> > > > > Skip Higginbotham
> > > > >
> > > > > At 01:58 PM 1/10/01 , you wrote:
> > > > > >It was my understanding the synthitic
> oils of any kind are a NO NO
> in
> > new
> > > > > >componets. They do not allow the
> proper break-in to take place, and
> > should
> > > > > >only be used in components after the
> normal break-in has been
> > finished.
> > > > > >What say ye?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >John Beckett
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "DOUG ODOM" <popms@thegrid.net>
> > > > > >To: "Chris R Harris"
> <yesford@clear.net.nz>
> > > > > >Cc: "land-speed"
> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>
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