John i did that only to get my foot in the door.. Have been working on
the concept of an agricultural class.. I'm thinking vintage tractor,
production tractor, modified tractor, altered tractor, streamlined
tractor and of course my favorite sports tractor. Usual engine classes
with the addition of a AAA class for the big diesels converted to gas
along with fuel, gas, blown, and unblown. With and with calcium filled
wheels should also be a class change. Now don't laugh too much at this
there is an upside or two. First we hold their meet 3 days prior to the
regular one. the reason to do this is simple it will be a requirement to
pull a drag sled behind the tractor in order to set a record . That way
the course gets dragged and people that have these things get to race
them too. There will be some restrictions like size of mower attachment(
a down force advantage). I would like to have a special class for 1946
to 1947 massey fergusions though the 1948 model had quite a few upgrades
and I really don't want to run against one. I really would not be fair
in the long run. I have a bunch of guys around here that have fast
tractors and we really need a place to race them hell on of them is
running his Farmall B on nitro. I have an F class engine in mine and it
has been altered.. I propose the designation 'RT' for race tractor..
Then I would be racing a F/FART...... Oh well you get the point.
Dahlgren
John Beckett wrote:
>
> The nice thing about the Pacer Dave is that your can run it either direction
> (forward or backward) with the same result. Does that constitute a class
> change?
>
> John Beckett
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dahlgren" <dahlgren@uconect.net>
> To: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: New Category
>
> > If this makes any sense at all and maybe it does i would think that cars
> > that came stock with EFI and all the related controls ought to be able
> > to run them.. With the apparent great love of retro tech would it be
> > more sensible to either make the year break earlier or to allow whatever
> > technology that was stock on the car to reamin although not necessarily
> > the stock part. lets not get into NHRA type stuff where you can only run
> > a certain carb and by the same token if you can run any carb can't you
> > run any kind of EFI.. I would not want to have a 1980 factory hot rod
> > and then have to strip all the standard fuel and ignition stuff out to
> > race it nor would i want to have to police whether it is stock or not...
> > .maybe 1969 or so is a better choice of years in the first place.
> > Typically this is before electronics were common in the first place.
> > along these lines where does my AMC Pacer fit?? I have the one with
> > the optional Willys twin turbo F-head engine and two carter YF carbs?? I
> > am running the standard save-a-spares all the way around to help with
> > the gearing...can i remove the 8-track and cup holders to save weight
> > although for such a long race the music would be nice to have too and
> > you can get pretty thirsty at times too so a tough trade off..
> > Dahlgren
> > Dan Warner wrote:
> > >
> > > Here it is!
> > >
> > > Included in this email is the proposal for the new CATEGORY which will
> break
> > > the current Modified Category classes by year. This proposal will create
> a
> > > new category between the existing Vintage and Modified Categories. The
> body
> > > year break will be 1949 to 1981 inclusive.
> > >
> > > Note that the engine breaks are restrictive as the new category will
> deal
> > > with AMERICAN coupe and sedan bodies only. There will be no Competition
> > > Coupe classes. The reasoning is that competition coupe rules are very
> > > liberal and the choice of body is a personal issue. All other rules in
> the
> > > category will be the same as the current Modified category as far as
> aero,
> > > engine swaps, transmission, etc.
> > >
> > > You have the opportunity to cast a vote as to the degree of mechanical
> > > sophistication in this new category. The name of the category is not yet
> > > decided. You also have the chance to name this category through a
> contest
> > > administered by Jon Amo on his web site www.landracing.com.
> > > When choosing your name for the category please be aware that our class
> > > naming convention is laborious at best. An example would be: XXO/BACFAlt
> (AC
> > > = American Classic). Lets not make the class name longer than the
> vehicle.
> > >
> > > Please distribute the proposal to your buddies who may not be internet
> > > savvy. This is an unprecedented opportunity to take part in the process.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Dan Warner
> > >
> > > Southern California Timing Association 2001 Rule Book Proposal
> > >
> > > The following sections are recommended rules changes to add the
> "Nostalgia
> > > Category" into the new 2001Rule Book.
> > >
> > > Purpose:
> > > To split the Coupe/Sedan car classes using newer aerodynamic cars (1982
> to
> > > present) from the older less aerodynamic cars (1949 through 1981). This
> > > change
> > > will make the older cars more competitive and still allow the newer cars
> to
> > > compete amongst themselves. All old records will be re-established and
> > > those records set by newer cars will stay with them in the current
> Modified
> > > Category classes. Here is an example; John Rain's car (1989 Indy 500
> > > Pontiac) record of 274.5 MPH for D/PS will stay with him in the current
> > > Production Category class, but in the newly established Nostalgia
> Category,
> > > Ron Hall's car (1963 Avanti) old record of 195.6 MPH will be re-entered
> into
> > > the record book for D/NPS class. This way no one looses a record and the
> old
> > > records are reinstated. Carefully read the two options in the Nostalgia
> > > Category and vote your
> > > opinion on the spaces provided. The two options are; Option 1A or 1B on
> one
> > > subject and Option 2A or 2B on the other subject, you must vote for one
> of
> > > the two choices for each option. Also, vote for or against the proposal
> of
> > > adding the new Nostalgia Category to the 2001 Rule Book.
> > > The goal is to have every race car owner in the Coupe or Sedan class
> vote on
> > > these changes. The race car owners voting can be those who race at
> > > Bonneville, the Dry Lakes, Maxon or all venues. Each race car owner
> > > will have one vote on the outcome of this consideration of rule changes.
> > > Its important that all owners vote and mail their results to Bob Sykes
> Jr.
> > > by no later than November 1, 2000. At that cutoff date, the ballots
> will be
> > > tallied and the results will impact on what changes go into the
> Southern
> > > California Timing Associatation Rule Book for the year 2001. So please
> > > don't sit on this, study the changes then vote and mail your results
> ASAP!!
> > >
> > > NOSTALGIA CATEGORY
> > > The Nostalgia Car category will consists of American coupe or sedan
> cars
> > > from 1949 through and including 1981.
> > > Note: the "N" has been added to the following categories to indicate
> the
> > > Nostalgia Car Class.
> > > .
> > >
> > > NOSTALGIA FUEL ALTERED COUPE - /NBFALT, /NFALT
> > > NOSTALGIA GAS ALTERED COUPE - /NBGALT, /NGALT
> > >
> > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO, XXF, XXO, and V4.
> > >
> > > NOSTALGIA GAS COUPE and SEDAN - /NBGC, /NGC
> > >
> > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO, XXF, XXO, and V4
> > >
> > > NOSTALGIA PRODUCTION COUPE and SEDAN - /NPRO
> > >
> > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO, and V4.
> > >
> > > .
> > > NOSTALGIA SUPERCHARGED PRODUCTION COUPE and SEDAN - /NPS
> > >
> > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO.
> > >
> > > NOSTALGIA CATEGORY
> > >
> > > (Option #1A, EFI is allowed)
> > > (Option #1B, EFI is not allowed)
> > >
> > > (Option #2A, computer controlled ignition timing is allowed)
> > > (Option #2B, computer controlled ignition timing is not allowed).
> > >
> > > VOTING FORM FOR COUPE/SEDAN CAR OWNERS
> > >
> > > OWNER'S NAME: print name ___________________________________
> > >
> > > OWNER'S SIGNATURE: ___________________________________
> > >
> > > DATE VOTED: ___________________________________
> > >
> > > HOME ADDRESS: ___________________________________
> > >
> > > ___________________________________
> > >
> > > PHONE NUMBER ___________________________________
> > >
> > > CAR'S CLASS & ENTRY #: ___________________________________
> > >
> > > LAST RACE ENTERED: ___________________________________
> > >
> > > ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THE NOSTALGIA CATEGORY?
> > >
> > > YES _____
> > >
> > > NO _____
> > >
> > > VOTE FOR ONE ON OPTION #1
> > > OPTION 1A
> ____
> > > (YES, EFI)
> > > (Electronic
> Fuel
> > > Injection) or
> > > OPTION 1B
> ____
> > > (NO, EFI)
> > >
> > > VOTE FOR ONE ON OPTION #2
> > > OPTION 2A
> ____
> > > (YES,CMPTR )
> > > (Computer
> > > ignition timing) or
> > > OPTION 2B
> ____
> > > (NO, CMPTR)
> > >
> > > "AFTER YOU'VE VOTED SEND THIS LAST PAGE TO:"
> > > Bob Sykes Jr. (Coupes & Sedan Committee Chairman)
> > > 6815 Scott Circle,
> > > Cypress, California 90630 Any questions, call Bob at home (714)
> 527-6907
> > >
> > > email: Dan Warner - dwarner@electrorent.com Bobby Sykes Jr.
> > > drylakes207@yahoo.com
> > >
> > > Please vote by November 1, 2000 so the Southern California Timing
> > > Association can make a count of the votes.
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