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If we really want to stimulate traffic on the site and don't mind feeling
suicidal let's discuss the probabilities of developing prostate cancer
(which I've had).
For me I'd rather read about something related to the use of our cars and I
still haven't seen a response to my question about thermostat gasket
sealant.
Best--Michael Oritt
On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 9:01=E2=80=AFPM James Frey via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
> The costs you cite below are inexorably linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to Do=
with our
> Healeys=E2=80=9D question that was also raised. Over the last several ye=
ars, I
> have restored/built 3 cars with most of the work done by a local shop (on=
e
> of which was a Bugeye). I needed to have most work performed by my shop.
> Although my skills are moderate and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time
> available to do so has lessened in recent years.
>
> Given the above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times market value
> on the purchase price, work performed, parts, etc. I consider myself luc=
ky
> to have a trusted local shop, but depending on where you live (even
> assuming you are willing to spend the money), it can be extraordinarily
> difficult to get the cars serviced, let alone have significant restoratio=
n
> work done. I also don=E2=80=99t see the value of most Healeys going up m=
uch, and
> it might go down given the (arguably) shrinking market/demographics for
> these cars.
>
> So given my recent experience, as much as I might love to own a BJ8 and
> would consider myself =E2=80=9Ca trusted steward=E2=80=9D, paying signifi=
cant dollars (even
> for a beautifully restored car) in a declining market might not be the be=
st
> idea. As for a car that =E2=80=9Cneeds work=E2=80=9D, I=E2=80=99m starti=
ng to feel like I=E2=80=99ve been
> there and done that a little too often. Also, there are fun (more modern=
)
> cars out there for similar dollars that don=E2=80=99t present the same fi=
nancial
> risk and difficulties in selling.
>
> Lastly, I=E2=80=99m 61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=9D) and I think those=
that are younger than me
> are an even tougher sell. I have 2 adult sons that have a moderate
> interest in cars and the =E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=9D they might have an in=
terest in are
> probably from 2000-2010.
>
> The market is undeniably softer than previously, but I actually think
> current values are a sellers market, even in the US. With the potential
> for declining demand, it=E2=80=99s hard for me to see an improving Healey=
market
> over the next 10+ years.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.=
com>
> wrote:
>
> Very good question.
> All the work that you describe requires an individual with significant
> skill(s). These tasks are not something that your "run of the mill" parts
> changer can undertake. In our part of the world (Canada) those "parts
> changers", without breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which
> equates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typically be charged
> out at an hourly rate of at least $100.
> In my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually a lot
> more to produce concours standards.
> So labour ONLY $120K.
> Parts and materials usually at least 50% of labour. $60K.
> Incidentals at least another $20K
> It's getting up there =F0=9F=98=B3=F0=9F=98=B3
>
> M
>
>
> On Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> The list has been very quiet for a long time.
>> How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a BN1?
>> The metal work is About 90% done. The remaining work includes final
>> fitting all body panels, preparing for paint & final painting.
>> Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the
>> windscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing all mater=
ial
>> where necessary.
>> Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the necessary
>> components.
>>
>> Gary Hodson
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via
>> Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is it me, or is the list quiet? I haven't seen anything for quite a
>> while?
>>
>> Mik
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)=
">If we really want to stimulate traffic on the site and don't mind fee=
ling suicidal let's discuss the probabilities of developing prostate ca=
ncer (which I've had).</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,255)">For me I'd rather read about something related to the =
use of our cars and I still haven't seen a response to my question abou=
t thermostat gasket sealant.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"col=
or:rgb(51,51,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rg=
b(51,51,255)">Best--Michael Oritt</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"c=
olor:rgb(51,51,255)"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_qu=
ote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 a=
t 9:01=E2=80=AFPM James Frey via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@auto=
x.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">=
<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">The costs you cite below a=
re inexorably linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to Do with our Healeys=E2=80=9D q=
uestion that was also raised.=C2=A0 Over the last several years, I have res=
tored/built 3 cars with most of the work done by a local shop (one of which=
was a Bugeye).=C2=A0 I needed to have most work performed by my shop.=C2=
=A0 Although my skills are moderate and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time a=
vailable to do so has lessened in recent years. =C2=A0</span><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">=
Given the above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times market value o=
n the purchase price, work performed, parts, etc.=C2=A0 I consider myself l=
ucky to have a trusted local shop, but depending on where you live (even as=
suming you are willing to spend the money), it can be extraordinarily diffi=
cult to get the cars serviced, let alone have significant restoration work =
done.=C2=A0 I also don=E2=80=99t see the value of most Healeys going up muc=
h, and it might go down given the (arguably) shrinking market/demographics =
for these cars. =C2=A0</span><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span=
></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">So given my recent experience, a=
s much as I might love to own a BJ8 and would consider myself =E2=80=9Ca tr=
usted steward=E2=80=9D, paying significant dollars (even for a beautifully =
restored car) in a declining market might not be the best idea.=C2=A0 As fo=
r a car that =E2=80=9Cneeds work=E2=80=9D, I=E2=80=99m starting to feel lik=
e I=E2=80=99ve been there and done that a little too often.=C2=A0 Also, the=
re are fun (more modern) cars out there for similar dollars that don=E2=80=
=99t present the same financial risk and difficulties in selling. =C2=A0</s=
pan></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:14px">Lastly, I=E2=80=99m 61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=
=9D) and I think those that are younger than me are an even tougher sell.=
=C2=A0 I have 2 adult sons that have a moderate interest in cars and the =
=E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=9D they might have an interest in are probably from=
2000-2010. =C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></sp=
an></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">The market is undeniably softe=
r than previously, but I actually think current values are a sellers market=
, even in the US.=C2=A0 With the potential for declining demand, it=E2=80=
=99s hard for me to see an improving Healey market over the next 10+ years.=
=C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><d=
iv><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Jim</span></div><div><font size=3D"3"><br=
></font></div><div><font size=3D"3"><br id=3D"m_-1184394919334468650lineBre=
akAtBeginningOfMessage"></font><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On F=
eb 16, 2025, at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Salter <<a href=3D"mailto:micha=
elsalter@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> wrote=
:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"auto">Very good question.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto=
">All the work that you describe requires an individual with significant sk=
ill(s). These tasks are not something that your "run of the mill"=
parts changer can undertake.=C2=A0 In our part of the world (Canada) those=
"parts changers", without breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 =
figures which equates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typicall=
y be charged out at an hourly rate of at least $100.</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>In my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually a lot mor=
e to produce concours standards.</div><div dir=3D"auto">So labour ONLY $120=
K.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Parts and materials usually at least 50% of labou=
r. $60K.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Incidentals at least another $20K</div><div=
dir=3D"auto">It's getting up there =F0=9F=98=B3=F0=9F=98=B3</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <<a href=
=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net=
</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div><div style=3D"font-family:"Comic Sans MS",sans-serif;font-si=
ze:16px"><div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The list has been very quiet for a long time.</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a BN1?=
=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">The metal work is About 90% done. The remainin=
g work includes final fitting all body panels, preparing for paint & fi=
nal painting.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding t=
he brakes, interior, fitting the windscreen, convertible top, side curtains=
including providing all material where necessary.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the necessar=
y components.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gary Hodson<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0</div><div><br></div=
>
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=C2=A0 I
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