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Nice. I will have to keep that in mind=E2=80=A6
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All the best,
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Al Fuller
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From: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>=20
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2025 9:19 AM
To: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>; Healeys at Autox =
<healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Failsafe thermostats
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Here ya go. Very simple 2 in stepper movement gauge with 2 switches to =
select the different temp probes. All mounted on steering column below =
the dash.
rg
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 10:12=E2=80=AFAM Al Fuller =
Roger - sounds interesting. Can you share pictures of how the =
information is displayed?
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Best Regards,
Al Fuller
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2024, 8:30=E2=80=AFAM Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net =
Yes, no doubt that idling after a high speed run when the engine was =
working hard with increased losses is the worst situation for our cars. =
Another technique to help the "reserve" is to install an overflow =
recovery tank that ensures you start off with a full header tank. This =
is a relatively simple project and works well.
I am a bit of a temp nut. On my BJ8, display via multiplexed switches :
WT - Smiths std gauge
OT- oil temp at filter
EC - engine compartment near carb intakes
TH - top hose water temp
Input ambient to rad and cockpit temps just for interest.
5 Blade TX fan; oil cooler; EWP electric water pump - manually switched; =
160F thermostat - agree with Michael above; rad recovery. As per Harold =
have 2 x 3/16 holes in thermostat; AL finned sump.
Most interesting observations are:
Oil takes longer than we think to get close to operating temp at least =
30 min but depends on ambient.Often long after the stat. opens
TH is generally 10F lower than the WT reading
EC and OT rise rapidly when no airflow as MS describes. rg thinks that =
we under estimate the cooling effect of cruising airflow on the actual =
engine block surface. Airflow is somewhat limited as a big chunk of =
metal obstructs and no easy exit. Often wondered if an extractor fan =
would help - hence the louvres on the hood and sides to get the hot air =
out for competition cars. My car runs badly when EC is above 155F - =
becomes too rich for the inlet air.
Use the EWP when approaching traffic as above - does not reduce temp, =
but seems to prevent further increases. Important to anticipate. EWP is =
really good for controlling heat soak after cutting the engine.
Recently removed an electric rad pusher fan as no real benefit and an =
obstruction to incoming air. Rad inlet deflectors are important
Hi ambient of course is a big factor for rad and block cooling.
Monitoring OT is very useful and easy to relate to when driving.
rg
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 9:42=E2=80=AFAM Michael Salter =
Like most 100 drivers I have struggled with overheating problems on =
occasion.
The worst situation is when stopping for gas or becoming stalled in =
traffic on the highway after running at high speed.
On those occasions when I do drive in cooler temperatures the =
temperature usually reaches 75 - 80 degrees C (167 - 176 F) even without =
a thermostat although the warm up is a little slower.=20
The advantage of running at this cooler temperature is that the system =
seems to have a larger "reserve" when the above traffic problems occur.
I found that the indicated temperature (which is accurate), runs 5 =
degrees C higher even when using a 165 degree bellows or wax pellet =
type thermostat. I suspect this is due to the slight restriction even =
when the thermostat is fully open.
=20
M
=20
On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 8:32=E2=80=AFAM Michael Oritt =
I need to replace my thermostat and I see a lot of negative reviews for =
"Failsafe" units--sold my Moss and many others--which are designed to =
fail in the open mode. What is the collective experience with these?
=20
TIA--Michael Oritt
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>Nice. I will have =
to keep that in mind=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All the =
best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p> </o:p></s=
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, =
January 2, 2025 9:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> Al Fuller =
<alfuller194@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Michael Salter =
<michaelsalter@gmail.com>; Healeys at Autox =
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Failsafe =
thermostats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Here ya go. Very simple 2 in stepper movement gauge =
with 2 switches to select the different temp probes. All mounted on =
steering column below the dash.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>rg<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 10:12=E2=80=AFAM Al Fuller <<a =
href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Roger - sounds interesting. Can you share pictures of =
how the information is displayed?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>________________<br>Sent from my phone <br>Best =
Regards,<br>Al Fuller<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Dec 30, 2024, 8:30=E2=80=AFAM Roger Grace <<a =
href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Yes, no doubt that idling after a high speed run when =
the engine was working hard with increased losses is the worst situation =
for our cars. Another technique to help the "reserve" is to =
install an overflow recovery tank that ensures you start off with a full =
header tank. This is a relatively simple project and works =
well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I am a bit of a temp =
nut. On my BJ8, display via multiplexed switches =
:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>WT - Smiths std =
gauge<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>OT- oil temp at =
filter<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>EC - engine =
compartment near carb intakes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>TH - top hose water temp<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Input ambient to rad and cockpit temps just for =
interest.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>5 Blade TX fan; =
oil cooler; EWP electric water pump - manually switched; 160F thermostat =
- agree with Michael above; rad recovery. As per Harold have 2 x 3/16 =
holes in thermostat; AL finned sump.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Most interesting observations =
are:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Oil takes longer than =
we think to get close to operating temp at least 30 min but depends on =
ambient.Often long after the stat. opens<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>TH is generally 10F lower than the WT =
reading<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>EC and OT rise =
rapidly when no airflow as MS describes. rg thinks that we under =
estimate the cooling effect of cruising airflow on the actual engine =
block surface. Airflow is somewhat limited as a big chunk of metal =
obstructs and no easy exit. Often wondered if an extractor fan would =
help - hence the louvres on the hood and sides to get the hot air out =
for competition cars. My car runs badly when EC is above 155F - becomes =
too rich for the inlet air.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Use the EWP when approaching traffic as above - does =
not reduce temp, but seems to prevent further increases. Important to =
anticipate. EWP is really good for controlling heat soak after cutting =
the engine.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Recently =
removed an electric rad pusher fan as no real benefit and an obstruction =
to incoming air. Rad inlet deflectors are =
important<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi ambient of =
course is a big factor for rad and block =
cooling.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Monitoring OT is =
very useful and easy to relate to when =
driving.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>rg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 9:42=E2=80=AFAM Michael Salter <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Like =
most 100 drivers I have struggled with overheating problems on =
occasion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The worst situation is when =
stopping for gas or becoming stalled in traffic on the highway after =
running at high speed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On =
those occasions when I do drive in cooler temperatures the temperature =
usually reaches 75 - 80 degrees C (167 - 176 F) even without a =
thermostat although the warm up is a little slower. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The advantage of running at =
this cooler temperature is that the system seems to have a larger =
"reserve" when the above traffic problems =
occur.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I found that the indicated =
temperature (which is accurate), runs 5 degrees C higher even when =
using a 165 degree bellows or wax pellet type thermostat. I suspect this =
is due to the slight restriction even when the thermostat is fully =
open.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 8:32=E2=80=AFAM Michael Oritt =
<<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>I need to replace =
my thermostat and I see a lot of negative reviews for =
"Failsafe" units--sold my Moss and many others--which are =
designed to fail in the open mode. What is the collective =
experience with these?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>TIA--Michael =
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