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To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] WW Balancing
From: Richard Kahn via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 19:43:54 +0000
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Hendrix believes they were older chrome spokes. As I have broken spokes oft=
en in the past, I have a Harbor Freight tire remover rig. Over the years, I=
 have replaced spokes with stainless so I believe their strength puts exces=
s train on the chrome ones. I think I have now replaced 80% of the chrome o=
nes on that wheel. I don't drive hard or drive during pot hole season. Howe=
ver, going to CHW on interstate 5, I hit many "uneven" construction areas w=
ith considerable jolts. Usually, I have only had to replace one spoke ever =
year or two. Outer spokes are easy and I have never had to replace the inne=
r shorter ones.
________________________________
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2024 10:04 AM
To: Richard Kahn <tahoehealey@hotmail.com>
Cc: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>; BJ8 Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] WW Balancing

I'm intrigued to hear of your broken spoke issue. I haven't experienced eve=
n 1 broken spoke for many many years. Do you have any insight as to the cau=
se? It's something that I would very much like to avoid.

M

On Sun., Dec. 22, 2024, 12:52 p.m. Richard Kahn, <tahoehealey@hotmail.com<m=
ailto:tahoehealey@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hendrix has done my wheels (and break drums) for 20 years. No shakes! Price=
 is very fair but shipping is the killer. I came home from California Heale=
y Week in San Louis Obispo last summer with 7 broken spokes. $250 for shipp=
ing wheel with tires to Hendrix. Allens work, with balance, truing wheels a=
nd re shaving tires was about $125 and $125 for shipping back. When I neede=
d new tires two years ago, they are sent direct to Hendrix overnight. He is=
 very fast. The UPS, not so much. As I live in snow country, I have a very =
short driving season so speed is important to me.
________________________________
team.net>> on behalf of sbyers--- via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net<mailt=
o:healeys@autox.team.net>>
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2024 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] WW Balancing


I=92m fortunate to live relatively close to Allen Hendrix at Hendrixwirewhe=
el (about 240 miles) and he has done all my wheel and tire work for 40 year=
s.  He does the spoke truing, balancing, and shaving and, as his website sa=
ys, he =93takes the shake out=94.  For sure.

I know some folks send their wheels to him for the service:  www.hendrixwir=
ewheel.com<http://www.hendrixwirewheel.com>

Don=92t know what we=92ll do when he decides to hang it up.



Steve Byers

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large





team.net>> On Behalf Of Michael Salter
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2024 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] WW Balancing



As I  mentioned elsewhere what is shown is all very well for new wheels wit=
h new tyres however, in my experience, all wire wheels tend to go out of ro=
und over the years, probably because of uneven spoke tension when originall=
y built, and once that occurs no amount of balancing will resolve things.

The only solutions are:

1.Buy new wheels and tyres again. (Expensive)

2. Remove the tyres and have the wheels "trued" [an advanced skill], strip =
and repaint then remount new tyres, (Expensive and time consuming)

3. Shave the tyres as they are on the wheel. ( Inexpensive and remarkably e=
ffective).

4. Put up with the scuttle shake.



M



On Sat., Dec. 21, 2024, 2:17 p.m. Bob Spidell via Healeys, <healeys@autox.t=

FYI ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJD3NYLtqiLM
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Hendrix believes they were older chrome spokes. As I have broken spokes oft=
en in the past, I have a Harbor Freight tire remover rig. Over the years, I=
 have replaced spokes with stainless so I believe their strength puts exces=
s train on the chrome ones. I think
 I have now replaced 80% of the chrome ones on that wheel. I don't drive ha=
rd or drive during pot hole season. However, going to CHW on interstate 5, =
I hit many &quot;uneven&quot; construction areas with considerable jolts. U=
sually,&nbsp;I have only had to replace one spoke
 ever year or two. Outer spokes are easy and I have never had to replace th=
e inner shorter ones.</div>
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<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1">
<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Michael Salter &lt;mi=
chaelsalter@gmail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 22, 2024 10:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Richard Kahn &lt;tahoehealey@hotmail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;; BJ8 Healeys &lt;sbyers@e=
c.rr.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] WW Balancing</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I'm intrigued to hear of your broken spoke issue. I haven=
't experienced even 1 broken spoke for many many years. Do you have any ins=
ight as to the cause? It's something that I would very much like to avoid.
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">M</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_quote x_gmail_quote_container">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Sun., Dec. 22, 2024, 12:52 p.m. =
Richard Kahn, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tahoehealey@hotmail.com";>tahoehealey@ho=
tmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left=
:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
Hendrix has done my wheels (and break drums) for 20 years. No shakes! Price=
 is very fair but shipping is the killer. I came home from California Heale=
y Week in San Louis Obispo last summer with 7 broken spokes. $250 for shipp=
ing wheel with tires to Hendrix.
 Allens work, with balance, truing wheels and re shaving tires was about $1=
25 and $125 for shipping back. When I needed new tires two years ago, they =
are sent direct to Hendrix overnight. He is very fast. The UPS, not so much=
. As I live in snow country, I have
 a very short driving season so speed is important to me.</div>
<div id=3D"x_m_-1423956104130198334appendonsend"></div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%">
<div id=3D"x_m_-1423956104130198334divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D=
"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</=
b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
 on behalf of sbyers--- via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.tea=
m.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<=
br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 21, 2024 5:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Healeys' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] WW Balancing</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div>
<p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I=92m f=
ortunate to live relatively close to Allen Hendrix at Hendrixwirewheel (abo=
ut 240 miles) and he has done all my wheel and tire work for 40 years.<span=
>&nbsp;
</span>He does the spoke truing, balancing, and shaving and, as his website=
 says, he =93takes the shake out=94.<span>&nbsp;
</span>For sure.</span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I know =
some folks send their wheels to him for the service:<span>&nbsp;
</span><a href=3D"http://www.hendrixwirewheel.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">www.hendrixwirewheel.com</a></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Don=92t=
 know what we=92ll do when he decides to hang it up.</span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">&nbsp;<=
/span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Steve B=
yers</span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">BJ8 Reg=
istry</span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">AHCA De=
legate at Large</span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">&nbsp;<=
/span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">&nbsp;<=
/span></font></p>
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n 0in 0in">
<p><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; font-weight:bold">From:</span></f=
ont></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; =
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healey=
s-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Michael Salter<=
br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, December 21,=
 2024 3:17 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bspid=
ell@comcast.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Healeys] WW Ba=
lancing</span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;<=
/span></font></p>
<div>
<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">As I&nb=
sp; mentioned elsewhere what is shown is all very well for new wheels with =
new tyres however, in my experience, all wire wheels tend to go out of roun=
d over the years, probably because of uneven
 spoke tension when originally built, and once that occurs no amount of bal=
ancing will resolve things.&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<div>
<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">The onl=
y solutions are:</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">1.Buy n=
ew wheels and tyres again. (Expensive)</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">2. Remo=
ve the tyres and have the wheels &quot;trued&quot; [an advanced skill], str=
ip and repaint then remount new tyres, (Expensive and time consuming)</span=
></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">3. Shav=
e the tyres as they are on the wheel. ( Inexpensive and remarkably effectiv=
e).</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">4. Put =
up with the scuttle shake.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;<=
/span></font></p>
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<div>
<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">M</span=
></font></p>
</div>
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<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;<=
/span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">On Sat.=
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