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Yes the solenoids can cause all sorts of problems.
Around the time you last worked on your overdrive OD Spares were having
problems with a batch of solenoid as I recall. May want to check with them.
If the "pull" coil or points in the solenoid have burned out, usually
because the adjustment is done incorrectly, the hold coil will have
insufficient power to move the solenoid armature to the "engaged" position
consistently.
After you have confirmed that the vehicle clutch ( the one on the flywheel)
isn't slipping it's time to move onto checking the overdrive.
You can eliminate the possibility of problems within the unit by manually
engaging overdrive by pulling up on the setting arm while on a road test
with the tunnel off (don't get caught up in the driveshaft because they
will probably have to put you into the coffin in pieces).
If there is no evidence of your "slipping " issue when the unit is manually
engaged then start looking into operating issues.
Haven't we been through this before?
M
On Mon., Apr. 22, 2024, 4:13 p.m. Simon Lachlan, <
simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com> wrote:
> Alright=E2=80=A6thanks for the replies so far. Still trying to get all my=
ducks in
> a row before I pick up the spanners.
>
> Next question,,,,solenoids. Do they fail 100% or can they wobble
> inbetween? Likewise, might give same symptoms. (Any straw worth clutchin=
g?)
>
> And again, how to bench test a solenoid?
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2024 4:27 PM
> *To:* Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Simon Lachlan <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com>; Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure or clutch slip
>
>
>
> Agree - I had to re read your note to be sure which clutch you were
> talking about.
>
> If you have the GB cover still on you, could disable the OD by
> disconnecting the solenoid - probably easier than removing the operating
> valve.
>
> Regarding testing the OD relay, yes as MS says they usually fail
> positively and usually the operating coil.
>
> To bench test:
>
> With a 12V supply on W1 and W2 you should hear a clear click for ON and O=
FF
>
> This would prove that the coil is OK
>
> Contacts not quite as easy to verify.
>
> Same test as above but an ohm meter on lowest scale across C1 and C2
>
> An anologue meter is preferable and you can see if there is any dithering
> when the contacts close. Operating should be positive and crisp.
>
> I would also be suspicious of the TS - they can have some weird failure
> modes and go out of adjustment,
>
> rg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 7:39=E2=80=AFAM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gma=
il.com>
> wrote:
>
> *Correct diagnosis is 1/2 the repair!!*
>
>
>
> First you need to confirm whether the clutch (on the flywheel) or the
> overdrive is causing the slippage.
>
> To do this you ABSOLUTELY MUST disable the overdrive as a badly
> misadjuster overdrive operating valve can produce similar symptoms.
>
> To do this I would remove the overdrive operating valve completely. (Ther=
e
> are other ways but this is absolutely definitive).
>
> Now drive the car up a long hill where you are amle to use full throttle
> at around 3000 RPM (maximum torque) for a few seconds. If it is the clutc=
h
> (on the flywheel) that is causing the slippage these operating conditions=
.
> Test this a few times to be sure.
>
> If there is no slippage we have confirmed that the overdrive clutch is at
> fault.
>
>
>
> Step 1 completed. Please report results.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon., Apr. 22, 2024, 9:03 a.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter@gmail.co=
m>
> wrote:
>
> In my experience relays are yes/no. No "maybe".
>
>
>
> On Mon., Apr. 22, 2024, 8:08 a.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys, <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> You may recall the very extended overdrive and clutch saga last year. Lon=
g
> story short(ish)=E2=80=A6
>
> OD was slipping in and out depending on oil temperature.
>
> Correctly diagnosed pressure. Checked with gauge.
>
> Attempted rebuild=E2=80=A6going only so far as accumulator and related se=
als.
>
> Stymied as could not get pump out. Turned out to have been =E2=80=9Cfixed=
=E2=80=9D at some
> stage with some form of =E2=80=9Cchemical metal=E2=80=9D which was coming=
loose/apart.
>
> Took it up to OD Spares who fixed it..new housing etcetc
>
> Why not a new clutch I thought? Sensible while you=E2=80=99re in the area=
looking
> at a 30+ yr old item.
>
> New clutch=E2=80=A6no good. Noisy, wouldn=E2=80=99t engage/disengage/play=
at all.
>
> Gearbox out again.
>
> Refit clutch. Presumed I=E2=80=99d made some beginner=E2=80=99s mistake.
>
> Refit gearbox=E2=80=A6no good. Same
>
> Can=E2=80=99t recall whether I tried again. Lost count and enthusiasm by =
now.
>
> Turned out that the new clutch kit was defective. (Thanks Mirek) (Genuine
> B&B from AHSpares).
>
> New one did work.
>
> Saga over until yesterday.
>
> Same sort of symptoms=E2=80=A6..
>
> All=E2=80=99s well for first 10 or so miles. Then the dreaded slippage(?)=
starts.
> But it=E2=80=99s not quite the same. Reminds me more of a slipping clutch=
. (But NO
> smell)
>
> Symptoms continue if it=E2=80=99s in or out of OD.
>
> Symptoms reduce at speed.
>
> Yes, plenty of oil. Over the full mark. Looks very clean. Pretty sure it=
=E2=80=99s
> 40wt non-detergent topped up with 30wt non-detergent. (Or vice-versa). Am
> confident in state of the filter, magnets etc.
>
> No, I have not pressure tested it yet and yes, I dread restarting the
> whole bloody process all over again. I=E2=80=99m not sure I can face taki=
ng the box
> out again once, let alone multiple times.
>
> What I want and experience tells me I=E2=80=99m unlikely to get is a mira=
cle cure!
>
> One initial question=E2=80=A6..do OD relays either work or not work? ie, =
can the
> relay hover between on and off which might lead to the OD coming in and
> out? I think that could happen if the switch is off but the unit still
> hasn=E2=80=99t got the message to disengage from the bulkhead switch.
>
> And a supplementary=E2=80=A6.how do I bench test the relay?
>
> Simon
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Yes the solenoids can cause all sorts of problems.=C2=A0<=
div dir=3D"auto">Around the time you last worked on your overdrive OD Spare=
s were having problems with a batch of solenoid as I recall. May want to ch=
eck with them.</div><div dir=3D"auto">If the "pull" coil or point=
s in the solenoid have burned out, usually because the adjustment is done i=
ncorrectly,=C2=A0 the hold coil will have insufficient power to move the so=
lenoid armature to the "engaged" position consistently.=C2=A0</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">After you have confirmed that the vehicle clutch ( the =
one on the flywheel) isn't slipping it's time to move onto checking=
the overdrive.</div><div dir=3D"auto">You can eliminate the possibility of=
problems within the unit by manually engaging overdrive by pulling up on t=
he setting arm while on a road test with the tunnel off (don't get caug=
ht up in the driveshaft because they will probably have to put you into the=
coffin in pieces).=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">If there is no evidence of=
your "slipping " issue when the unit is manually engaged then st=
art looking into operating issues.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Haven't=
we been through this before?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Mon., Apr. 22, 2024, 4:13 p.m. Simon Lachlan, <<a href=
=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" st=
yle=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Alright=E2=80=A6thanks for the =
replies so far. Still trying to get all my ducks in a row before I pick up =
the spanners.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Next question,,,,solenoids.=
Do they fail 100% or can they wobble inbetween? Likewise, might give same =
symptoms. (Any straw worth=C2=A0 clutching?)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",ser=
if">And again, how to bench test a solenoid?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",ser=
if">Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>=
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif"> Roger Grace <<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; rel=3D"noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:=
</b> Monday, April 22, 2024 4:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Salter <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Simon Lachlan <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>>; Heale=
ys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re:=
[Healeys] Overdrive pressure or clutch slip<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Agree - I had to re read your note to be sure which clutch you were ta=
lking about.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you have=
the GB cover still on you, could disable the OD by disconnecting the solen=
oid - probably easier than removing the operating valve.<u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regarding testing the OD relay, yes as MS =
says they usually fail positively and usually the operating coil.<u></u><u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">To bench test:<u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">With a 12V supply on W1 and W2 you should =
hear a clear click for ON and OFF<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">This would prove that the coil is OK<u></u><u></u></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Contacts not quite as easy to verify.<u></u><u></u><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Same test as above but an ohm meter on=
lowest scale across C1 and C2<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">An anologue meter is preferable and you can see if there is any dith=
ering when the contacts close. Operating should be positive and crisp.<u></=
u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would also be suspicious o=
f the TS - they can have some weird failure modes and go out of adjustment,=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">rg<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
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</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 =
at 7:39<span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">=E2=80=AF</=
span>AM Michael Salter <<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>>=
; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-lef=
t:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-ri=
ght:0cm"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u>Correct diagnosis is 1/2 th=
e repair!!</u></b><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">First you need to confirm w=
hether the clutch (on the flywheel) or the overdrive is causing the slippag=
e.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">To do this you ABSOLU=
TELY MUST disable the overdrive as a badly misadjuster overdrive operating =
valve can produce similar symptoms.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">To do this I would remove the overdrive operating valve c=
ompletely. (There are other ways but this is absolutely definitive).<u></u>=
<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Now drive the car up a long hi=
ll where you are amle to use full throttle at around 3000 RPM (maximum torq=
ue) for a few seconds. If it is the clutch (on the flywheel) that is causin=
g the slippage these operating conditions. Test this a few times to be sure=
.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If there is no slippag=
e we have confirmed that the overdrive clutch is at fault.<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Step 1 completed. Please report results.=C2=A0<u></u><u><=
/u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon., A=
pr. 22, 2024, 9:03 a.m. Michael Salter, <<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter=
@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@g=
mail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:=
none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:=
4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In my experience relays=
are yes/no. No "maybe".<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon., Apr=
. 22, 2024, 8:08 a.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys, <<a href=3D"mailto:heal=
eys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys=
@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"=
border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margi=
n-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Tim=
es New Roman",serif">You may recall the very extended overdrive and cl=
utch saga last year.</span> <span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roma=
n",serif">Long story short(ish)=E2=80=A6</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">OD was slipping=
in and out depending on oil temperature.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Correctly diagnosed=
pressure. Checked with gauge.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Attempted rebuild=E2=80=A6goin=
g only so far as</span> <span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&qu=
ot;,serif">accumulator and related seals.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Stymied as could no=
t get pump out. Turned out to have been =E2=80=9Cfixed=E2=80=9D at some sta=
ge with some form of =E2=80=9Cchemical metal=E2=80=9D which was coming loos=
e/apart.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Times =
New Roman",serif">Took it up to OD Spares who fixed it..new housing et=
cetc</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif">Why not a new clutch I thought? Sensible while you=E2=80=
=99re in the area looking at a 30+ yr old item.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p>=
<span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">New clutch=E2=
=80=A6no good. Noisy, wouldn=E2=80=99t</span> <span style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Times New Roman",serif">engage/disengage/play at all.</span><u></u=
><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
">Gearbox out again.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:=
"Times New Roman",serif">Refit clutch. Presumed I=E2=80=99d made =
some beginner=E2=80=99s mistake.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"=
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Refit gearbox=E2=80=A6no goo=
d. Same</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Times N=
ew Roman",serif">Can=E2=80=99t recall whether I tried again. Lost coun=
t and enthusiasm by now.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:"Times New Roman",serif">Turned out that the new clutch kit w=
as defective. (Thanks Mirek) (Genuine B&B from AHSpares).</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"=
>New one did work.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Times New Roman",serif">Saga over until yesterday.</span><u></u><u=
></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">S=
ame sort of symptoms=E2=80=A6..</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman",serif">All=E2=80=99s well for first =
10 or so miles. Then the dreaded slippage(?) starts. But it=E2=80=99s not q=
uite the same. Reminds me more of a slipping clutch. (But NO smell)</span><=
u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",=
serif">Symptoms continue if it=E2=80=99s in or out of OD.</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Sym=
ptoms reduce at speed.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:"Times New Roman",serif">Yes, plenty of oil. Over the full mark=
. Looks very clean. Pretty sure it=E2=80=99s 40wt</span> <span style=3D"fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman",serif">non-detergent topped up with 30=
wt non-detergent. (Or vice-versa).</span> <span style=3D"font-family:"=
Times New Roman",serif">Am confident in state of the filter, magnets e=
tc.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New R=
oman",serif">No, I have not pressure tested it yet and yes, I dread re=
starting the whole bloody process all over again. I=E2=80=99m not sure I ca=
n face taking the box out again once, let alone multiple times.</span><u></=
u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",seri=
f">What I want and experience tells me I=E2=80=99m unlikely to get is a mir=
acle cure!</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif">One initial question=E2=80=A6..do OD relays either=
work or not work? ie, can the relay hover between on and off</span> <span =
style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">which might lead to=
the OD coming in and out? I think that could happen if the switch is off b=
ut the unit still hasn=E2=80=99t got the message to disengage from the bulk=
head switch.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Ti=
mes New Roman",serif">And a supplementary=E2=80=A6.how</span> <span st=
yle=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">do I bench test</span=
> <span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">the relay?<=
/span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman=
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