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Thanks everyone, especially Simon for the detailed response. Someone else
has suggested my pads may be too hard and I should try changing them.
Simon, First, I am unfamiliar with "Girling 14" vs, "Girling 16". I know
there was a change in the brakes somewhere in the later cars, so I am
assuming a stock BT7 (late 1959) has Girling 14s? Can someone confirm that?
Also, I went on the EBC site and they don't have a listing for Austin
Healey, but do list the DP2141. Simon if you are positive about the product
number I will go with that.
I am still weighing options before shelling out $150 for pads, but the EBC
option is looking best right now. I also see the normal suppliers offering
anti-squeal kits, and may try those first after having a chat with them.
Our local supplier, Healey Autofarm, also restore and drive Healeys, so they
may have some thoughts.
Cheers, Mirek
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Simon Lachlan
via Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43 AM
To: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes
I have a BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeaky brakes and found my anti-shim pads
to be pretty useless. Worse, in a way, sometimes the brakes were quiet and
sometimes they really howled!
Anyhow...I asked around and did some research which led me to EBC pads. I
think there are two or three materials used...depending on what you use the
car for. "Greenstuff" is the regular road set and the ones that I use.
According to my files(!), the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. (I've
switched to 16s which take DP2291.)
And, with particular regard to anti-shim pads, EBC supply a rubber backing
material which you cut to size yourself. Back to the files:- They describe
the material as a " High performance 200MP pressure sensitive
acrylic adhesive on 58 lb polycoated kraft paper liner. High temperature
formulation, solvent resistance, shear adhesion and HSE, low LSE. Use for
general industrial joining. 5.0 mil thick with 4.0 mil
liner.") The instructions say:- "Cut with scissors to shape required and
apply these shims to the reverse side (painted side) of the brake pads to
prevent brake noise. The fibre must cover all areas contacted
by the hydraulic pistons or the calliper supports".
I see that I've been using EBC pads since some years before April 2012.
They work for me.
I've attached their installation instructions which are pretty
generic.nothing much unique to their pads.
Simon
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 1:26 AM
Subject: [Healeys] Squealy Brakes
Hi all, I have had intermittent squealy brakes on my BT7 the last year or
so. I got it out of hibernation a week ago and the squealing is worse, it
seems. I don't mind heads turning when I pull up at a light, but not
because it sounds like I just ran over a cat.
I put new pads in a few years back and installed the anti-squeal shims, but
they did not work. Today I pulled out the pads, tossed the shims and
lightly rubbed the pads on a sheet of #120 emery on a plate of glass, just
to take the sheen of the friction side and ensure the backs were flat. I
took a file and gently broke the leading and trailing edges of the friction
material, as the edges were quite sharp and though one could be catching. I
then cleaned the pads with brake part cleaner. I also lightly used emery
on the disks to remove any glaze. I had gone to my local auto parts
supplier to see if they had any anti-squeal shims but they don't sell them
separately from the pads. However, they highly recommended a Permatex
product with the promising name "Disc Brake Quiet" [sic]. This I applied
per the instructions, spraying it on the back of the pads. I blew the dust
out of the calipers and, as best I could, checked the pistons for
irregularities where they bear on the pads. The calipers were re-built
about 5 years ago with stainless pistons and they looked as new. Retaining
pins were cleaned and very lightly greased. I re-assembled everything and
went out for a test drive.
The results were staggering in that there was no difference whatsoever.
So folks - any good ideas out there? I am wondering if should switch out
the pads, but mine are barely worn and I am not sure I have record of what I
put in, so may end up with the same make. Other than that, I am flummoxed.
All suggestions welcome.
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks everyone, especially =
Simon for the detailed response. Someone else has suggested =
my pads may be too hard and I should try changing them.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Simon, =
First, I am unfamiliar with “Girling 14” vs, “Girling =
16”. I know there was a change in the brakes somewhere in =
the later cars, so I am assuming a stock BT7 (late 1959) has Girling =
14s? Can someone confirm that?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Also, =
I went on the EBC site and they don’t have a listing for =
Austin Healey, but do list the DP2141. Simon if you are positive =
about the product number I will go with that.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I am still =
weighing options before shelling out $150 for pads, but the EBC option =
is looking best right now. I also see the normal suppliers =
offering anti-squeal kits, and may try those first after having a chat =
with them. Our local supplier, Healey Autofarm, also restore and =
drive Healeys, so they may have some thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers, =
Mirek<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>From:</span></b><=
span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Lachlan =
via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] FW: Squealy =
Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>I have a BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeaky brakes and found =
my anti-shim pads to be pretty useless. Worse, in a way, sometimes the =
brakes were quiet and sometimes they really =
howled!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>Anyhow…..I asked around and did some research which =
led me to EBC pads. I think there are two or three materials =
used…..depending on what you use the car for. =
“Greenstuff” is the regular road set and the ones that I =
use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>According =
to my files(!), the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. =
(I’ve switched to 16s which take DP2291.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>And, with =
particular regard to anti-shim pads, EBC supply a rubber backing =
material which you cut to size yourself. Back to the files:- They =
describe the material as </span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>a " High =
performance 200MP pressure sensitive <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>acrylic =
adhesive on 58 lb polycoated kraft paper liner. High temperature =
formulation, solvent resistance, shear adhesion and HSE, low LSE. Use =
for general industrial joining. 5.0 mil thick with 4.0 =
mil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>liner.") =
The instructions say:- "Cut with scissors to shape required =
and apply these shims to the reverse side (painted side) of the brake =
pads to prevent brake noise. The fibre must cover all areas =
contacted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>by the =
hydraulic pistons or the calliper =
supports".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I =
see that I’ve been using EBC pads since some years before =
April 2012. They work for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I’ve =
attached their installation instructions which are pretty =
generic…nothing much unique to their pads.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Simon<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>From:</span></b><=
span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'> Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>healeys-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>m.g.sharp--- via =
Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 1:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Healey List <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>=
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Squealy =
Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Hi all, I have had intermittent squealy brakes on my =
BT7 the last year or so. I got it out of hibernation a week ago =
and the squealing is worse, it seems. I don’t mind heads =
turning when I pull up at a light, but not because it sounds like I just =
ran over a cat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I put new pads in a few years back and installed the =
anti-squeal shims, but they did not work. Today I pulled out =
the pads, tossed the shims and lightly rubbed the pads on a sheet of =
#120 emery on a plate of glass, just to take the sheen of the friction =
side and ensure the backs were flat. I took a file and gently =
broke the leading and trailing edges of the friction material, as the =
edges were quite sharp and though one could be catching. I then =
cleaned the pads with brake part cleaner. I also lightly =
used emery on the disks to remove any glaze. I had gone to =
my local auto parts supplier to see if they had any anti-squeal =
shims but they don’t sell them separately from the pads. =
However, they highly recommended a Permatex product with the promising =
name “Disc Brake Quiet” [sic]. This I applied =
per the instructions, spraying it on the back of the pads. I blew =
the dust out of the calipers and, as best I could, checked the pistons =
for irregularities where they bear on the pads. The calipers were =
re-built about 5 years ago with stainless pistons and they looked as =
new. Retaining pins were cleaned and very lightly greased. I =
re-assembled everything and went out for a test =
drive.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>The results were staggering in that there was no difference =
whatsoever.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>So folks – any good ideas out there? I am =
wondering if should switch out the pads, but mine are barely worn and I =
am not sure I have record of what I put in, so may end up with the same =
make. Other than that, I am flummoxed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>All suggestions =
welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
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