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Al--
No, not a lot of oil is being pumped out of the rocker shaft.
I suspect bottom end wear.
Best--Michael
On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote:
> Michael =E2=80=93 is it possible you are losing oil pressure from the roc=
ker shaft?
>
>
>
> It is very easy to check =E2=80=93 just warm up the car and then run it w=
ith the
> rocker cover off. The oil should seep out of the rockers, but a worn shaf=
t
> will spray instead of seep. I once had one that shot oil far enough up t=
o
> hit the underside of the bonnet!
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Al Fuller
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Oritt
> *Sent:* Monday, January 8, 2024 7:16 AM
> *To:* WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com>
> *Cc:* Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil
>
>
>
> I agree with Bill.
>
>
>
> I installed the DW steel gasket in about 2003 and 60K so or miles ago whe=
n
> I also put in upgraded internals and the DW alloy head, etc. I have not
> removed or retorqued the head since then. In the last year or so a very
> slight coolant weepage (I can't even call it a leakage) developed on the
> right side of the head/block joint between cylinders 2 and 3 when
> starting from cold, which quickly disappeared on warm-up.
>
>
>
> My main complaining symptom is a reduction in oil pressure both hot and
> cold from about 65/30 psi at warm revs and idle to no more than 40/15 psi
> commensurate. Though I renewed the oil pump and replaced the few bearings=
I
> could with the engine in situ a few years back this was of little effect.
> I know there are those who say that oil pressure is overrated and our
> Healeys can live happily without it but I'm a bit on the compulsive side
> and can't keep my eyes on the road and off that needle, so off with her
> head, and more as over the winter the engine is being disassembled and
> line bored, the crank and internals crack-checked and refreshed as
> necessary, etc.
>
>
>
> Though the DW steel gasket is supposedly reusable I am, with reckless
> abandon, going to install the unused spare steel head gasket which has la=
in
> under the boot Armacord in its original packaging for the last 20 years. =
I
> feel the car has given me good and reliable service over these many miles
> and has earned the right to demand this splurge on my part.
>
>
>
> More news as it happens--Michael Oritt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 6:38=E2=80=AFAM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.co=
m> wrote:
>
> I recommend the MLS gasket that Denis Welch supplies. It requires a very
> smooth finish, but if you can get that it provides a very good seal. I ha=
d
> the chronic problem of a leaky head gasket on my 100 And their gasket
> solved it.
>
>
>
> Bill Lawrence
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of
> jvwojcik@comcast.net <jvwojcik@comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 7, 2024 10:41 PM
> *To:* 'Roger Grace' <roggrace@telus.net>; 'Healeys' <
> healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil
>
>
>
> Hi Roger, If your current fix fails, no need to despair. After a 10 year
> chase to stop oil from getting into the coolant in my BN7 using multiple
> head gaskets and the Southern Carburetor drilling kit, etc., Hardblok
>
> https://www.hardblok.com/
>
>
>
> did the job perfectly. Attached is an image of where my builder put it,
> rolling the block to place the product where he deduced the seepage came
> through. In this specific use, I do not think there was much change in he=
at
> transfer. It worked for years, then I sold the car but suspect it is stil=
l
> doing the job. Jim Wojcik, MN
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Roger
> Grace
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 7, 2024 2:41 PM
> *To:* Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil
>
>
>
>
>
> Up date.
>
> So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added some of that Barrs
> leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler too)
>
> After 425 mi on new oil had another analysis done and pains still glycol
> present.
>
> Now have head off.
>
> Nothing really obvious.
>
> Suggestions where/what to look for ?
>
> Plan to take head to a machine shop for truing.
>
> Thoughts
>
> rg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Roger Grace* <roggrace@telus.net>
> Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM
> Subject: Glycol in oil
> To: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>
>
>
> 67 BJ8
>
> Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.
>
> Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve cove=
r
> and near oil filler.
>
> Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr
>
> Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi
>
> Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no
> water found ... assume gets burnt off ?
>
> Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently
> installed a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being
> removed. Silly me.
>
> So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit area
> that others may have encountered ?
>
> Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?
>
> Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test.
>
> Remove head ?
>
> Thoughts and ideas please
>
> rg
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Al--<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">No, not a lot of oil is being=
pumped out of the rocker shaft.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"color:#3333ff">I suspect bottom end wear.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"c=
olor:#3333ff">Best--Michael</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com";>alfuller194@gmail.com</a>> wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=
=3D"msg-9078256534154677133"><div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: br=
eak-word;"><div class=3D"m_-9078256534154677133WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Michael =E2=80=93 is it possible you are losing oil pressure from =
the rocker shaft?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It is very easy to check =E2=80=93 just warm =
up the car and then run it with the rocker cover off. The oil should seep o=
ut of the rockers, but a worn shaft will spray instead of seep.=C2=A0 I onc=
e had one that shot oil far enough up to hit the underside of the bonnet!<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">-----------------------------------<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">All the best,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Al Fuller<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;bord=
er-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);paddi=
ng:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys <<a href=3D"=
mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@au=
tox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Oritt<br><b>Sent:</b> Mond=
ay, January 8, 2024 7:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <<a href=3D=
"mailto:ynotink@msn.com"; target=3D"_blank">ynotink@msn.com</a>><br><b>Cc=
:</b> Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Gly=
col in oil<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"=
>I agree with Bill.=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,25=
5)">I installed the DW steel gasket in about 2003 and 60K so or miles ago w=
hen I also put in upgraded internals and the DW alloy head,=C2=A0etc. I hav=
e not removed or retorqued the head since then.=C2=A0 In the last year or s=
o a very slight coolant weepage (I can't even call it a leakage) develo=
ped on the right side of the head/block joint between cylinders 2 and 3 whe=
n starting=C2=A0from cold, which quickly disappeared on warm-up.<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51=
,51,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">My main complaining=C2=A0symptom is a =
reduction in oil pressure both hot and cold from about 65/30 psi at warm re=
vs and idle to no more than 40/15 psi commensurate. Though I renewed the oi=
l pump and replaced the few bearings I could with the engine in situ a few =
years back this was of little effect.=C2=A0 I know=C2=A0there are those who=
say that oil pressure is overrated and our Healeys can live happily withou=
t it but I'm a bit on the compulsive side and can't keep my eyes on=
the road and off that needle, so off with her head, and more as o</span><s=
pan style=3D"color:blue">ver the winter the engine is being disassembled an=
d line bored, the crank and internals crack-checked and refreshed as necess=
ary, etc.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(51,51,255)">Though=C2=A0the DW steel gasket is supposedly reusable=C2=A0I =
am, with reckless abandon, going to install the unused spare steel head gas=
ket which has lain under the boot Armacord in its original packaging for th=
e last 20 years.=C2=A0 I feel the car has given me good and reliable servic=
e over these many miles and has earned the right to demand this splurge on =
my part.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">More news as it hap=
pens--Michael Oritt<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Jan 8,=
2024 at 6:38=E2=80=AFAM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <<a href=3D"mailto:ynotink@m=
sn.com" target=3D"_blank">ynotink@msn.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:n=
one;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-l=
eft:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-family:"inherit",serif">I recommend the MLS gasket that Den=
is Welch supplies. It requires a very smooth finish, but if you can get tha=
t it provides a very good seal. I had the chronic problem of a leaky head g=
asket on my 100 And their gasket solved it.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"inherit&q=
uot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-family:"inherit",serif">Bill Lawrence<u></u=
><u></u></span></p></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D=
"text-align:center"><hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center"></div><di=
v id=3D"m_-9078256534154677133m_-6423530773537065730divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=
=3D"color:black"> Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.=
net" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of =
<a href=3D"mailto:jvwojcik@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">jvwojcik@comcast.=
net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:jvwojcik@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">jvwoj=
cik@comcast.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 7, 2024 10:41 PM<br=
><b>To:</b> 'Roger Grace' <<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"=
target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>>; 'Healeys' <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.ne=
t</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil</span> <u></u=
><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div=
><div><div><p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Roger, If your curren=
t fix fails, no need to despair.=C2=A0 After a 10 year chase to stop oil fr=
om getting into the coolant in my BN7 using multiple head gaskets and the S=
outhern Carburetor drilling kit, etc., Hardblok</span><u></u><u></u></p><p>=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href=3D"https://www.hardblok.com/"; =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.hardblok.com/</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p>=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><spa=
n style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">did the job perfectly. Attached is an imag=
e of where my builder put it, rolling the block to place the product where =
he deduced the seepage came through. In this specific use, I do not think t=
here was much change in heat transfer. It worked for years, then I sold the=
car but suspect it is still doing the job. Jim Wojcik, MN</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div style=3D=
"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid=
rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p><b>From:</b> Healeys <<a href=
=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounce=
s@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Grace<br><b>Sent:</b> Su=
nday, January 7, 2024 2:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:h=
ealeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>=
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil<u></u><u></u></p></div><p>=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Up =
date.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved=
3/4 turn. Added some of that Barrs leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (=
cooler too)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>After 425 mi on new oil had anot=
her analysis done and pains still glycol present.<u></u><u></u></p></div><d=
iv><p>Now have head off.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Nothing really obvi=
ous.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Suggestions where/what to look for ?<u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Plan to take head to a machine shop for truing=
.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Thoughts <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>r=
g<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div>=
<div><p>---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b>Roger Grace</b> =
<<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.=
net</a>><br>Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Glyco=
l in oil<br>To: Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><u></u><u></u></p></div><p style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p>67 BJ8<u></u><u></u=
></p><div><p>Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<div><p>Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valv=
e cover and near oil filler.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Pains as engine=
and car run so well ... grr<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Did compression=
test and all OK at around 150 psi<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Also had =
oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no water found =
... assume gets burnt off ?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Upon reflection =
realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently installed a recovery re=
servoir and attributed the loss to air being removed. Silly me.<u></u><u></=
u></p></div><div><p>So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a lik=
ely culprit area=C2=A0 that others may have encountered ?<u></u><u></u></p>=
</div><div><p>=C2=A0Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><p>Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test.<u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Remove head ?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>=
Thoughts and ideas please<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>rg<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div=
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