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I haven't paid much attention to BaT, except to check out interesting
Healeys that come up and I only created an account to comment on this
car. But, from what I've seen I think it's a little fishy that a couple
large bids--$50K and $75K ($75K should be top dollar for this car
IMO)--came in fairly quickly. From watching a few auctions it seemed
there would be a few lowball bids, then a few more would work the price
up but the serious would-be buyers would wait and watch then throw a
potentially winning bid in at the last few minutes, if not the last few
seconds. What do they call it when a seller's buddies throw in a large
bids to gin up apparent interest; 'shill bidding?'
It appears the seller is working on a "You didn't read the fine print
(watch the video); it's on you" defense. I'm still surprised Bill
certified this as an M;Â 'LeMans conversion' probably would have been
more appropriate.
Bob
On 12/27/2023 9:49 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
> Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he initially
> knew about the chassis and possible motor/ carb questions. He really
> doesn't have a good understanding of Healeys. And I even can
> understand to a point that he might be trying to even convince himself
> that it might be more than it actually is. But how he has represented
> it after receiving a good assessment, just sits a bit wrong with me.
>
> Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion" took place.
> But the idea that the front cross bracing was bent to look like a M
> cam was installed, and the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4)
> being so carefully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make it
> look legit.
>
> And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price how much of
> it really matters. It is a sharp looking car.
>
>
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a
> test drive."
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 AM
> *To:* S and T Miller <stmiller96@hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* bspidell@comcast.net <bspidell@comcast.net>;
> healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
> Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepresented what
> to whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame and
> possible replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or
> was it the original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's
> probably some grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer,
> I can't help thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The
> Healey Lawyer" columns in the /Marque?/
> /
> /
> /Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"/
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41â?¯AM S and T Miller
> <stmiller96@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast some
> doubt on it being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a
> combination of both BN1 and BN2 is plain false. Since I was the
> one who showed him in person why it was a BN1 chassis he wanted to
> use my name saying we "believe" its a BN1 chassis, and I replied
> that "believe" doesn't categorize my opinion. That everything
> points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2.
> Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311 clearly shows
> the cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo. Odd it is
> on a painted frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in
> later. I'd thought maybe it was of a different frame, but the
> front frame extensions are missing in the pictured one as we'll,
> so probably not.
>
> I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone
> misrepresented to him, but I kinda feel not so great about his
> representation of the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall.
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800
> From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
> To: healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
> Message-ID: <229b7fa6-3b3a-4221-b587-227de3ae0c2b@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> The expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated in the text, but buried
> in the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch it). It
> appears to
> me the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence, apparently
> with BaT's blessing
>
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a
> test drive."
>
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I haven't paid much attention to BaT, except to check out
interesting Healeys that come up and I only created an account to
comment on this car. But, from what I've seen I think it's a little
fishy that a couple large bids--$50K and $75K ($75K should be top
dollar for this car IMO)--came in fairly quickly. From watching a
few auctions it seemed there would be a few lowball bids, then a few
more would work the price up but the serious would-be buyers would
wait and watch then throw a potentially winning bid in at the last
few minutes, if not the last few seconds. What do they call it when
a seller's buddies throw in a large bids to gin up apparent
interest; 'shill bidding?'<br>
<br>
It appears the seller is working on a "You didn't read the fine
print (watch the video); it's on you" defense. I'm still surprised
Bill certified this as an M;Â 'LeMans conversion' probably would
have been more appropriate.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
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<div>Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he
initially knew about the chassis and possible motor/ carb
questions. He really doesn't have a good understanding of
Healeys. And I even can understand to a point that he might be
trying to even convince himself that it might be more than it
actually is. But how he has represented it after receiving a
good assessment, just sits a bit wrong with me. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion"
took place. But the idea that the front cross bracing was bent
to look like a M cam was installed, and the two under the dash
BN1 OD relay holes (4) being so carefully concealed, tells me
someone was trying to make it look legit. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price
how much of it really matters. It is a sharp looking car. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Millers<br>
 <br>
"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is
a test drive."<br>
</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
HealeyRick <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";><healeyrik@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> S and T Miller <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:stmiller96@hotmail.com";><stmiller96@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspidell@comcast.net</a> <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";><bspidell@comcast.net></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a> <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</font>
<div>Â </div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who
misrepresented what to whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a
100M with a BN1 frame and possible replacement motor to the
original buyer who was clueless or was it the original buyer
that was doing the misrepresenting? There's probably some
grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, I
can't help thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of
those "The Healey Lawyer" columns in the
<i>Marque?</i>
<div><i><br>
</i></div>
<div><i>Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"</i></div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="x_gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at
8:41â?¯AM S and T Miller <<a
href="mailto:stmiller96@hotmail.com";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">stmiller96@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div
style="font-family:inherit; font-size:inherit; color:inherit;
background-color:transparent">
Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast
some doubt on it being a BN1 chassis. Saying the
firewall is a combination of both BN1 and BN2 is plain
false. Since I was the one who showed him in person why
it was a BN1 chassis he wanted to use my name saying we
"believe" its a BN1 chassis, and I replied that
"believe" doesn't categorize my opinion. That everything
points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2. </div>
<div
style="font-family:inherit; font-size:inherit; color:inherit;
background-color:transparent">
Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311
clearly shows the cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the
restoration photo. Odd it is on a painted frame, but the
BN2 one must have been welded in later. I'd thought
maybe it was of a different frame, but the front frame
extensions are missing in the pictured one as we'll, so
probably not.</div>
<div
style="font-family:inherit; color:inherit; background-color:transparent"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:inherit; color:inherit; background-color:transparent">I
realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that
someone misrepresented to him, but I kinda feel not so
great about his representation of the car on BAT. Again
it is a nice car overall. </div>
<div
style="font-family:inherit; color:inherit; background-color:transparent"><br
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<span
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline">From:
Bob Spidell <<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bspidell@comcast.net</a>></span><br
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moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span
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<span
style="font-size:14.6667px; font-family:Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline">The
expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated in the
text, but buried</span><br
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<span
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline">in
the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch
it). It appears to</span><br
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<span
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline">me
the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence,
apparently</span><br
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font-size:14.6667px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline">with
BaT's blessing</span><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Millers<br>
 <br>
"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an
antique car is a test drive."<br>
</div>
</div>
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