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Re: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches

To: "llennep@verizon.net" <llennep@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:43:14 -0700
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Of course. That was a reach. A quick search didn't show ZnO favored by 
the gem-polishing crowd. It does make a good sun block.


On 9/30/2023 2:04 PM, llennep@verizon.net wrote:
> Props of elemental zinc are likely very different from the 
> compound zinc oxide.
> Keith
> Chemist
>
>
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> On Saturday, September 30, 2023, 4:45 PM, Bob Spidell 
> <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>     Same with any grinding compound: The components are selected for
>     their shape, hence 'cutting' ability, hardness, purpose, cost,
>     etc.  A compound with large particles with sharp edges will cut
>     deeper and faster than one with particles of a softer and/or more
>     rounded shape. The kit I bought came with a paste consisting of
>     rhyolite and whatever semi-liquid was used to make it a paste; it
>     appears aluminum oxide is also used.
>
>     A coarser compound will remove deeper scratches, but leave its own
>     scratches. You can start with a coarser compound to remove larger
>     scratches, then switch to a finer compound to remove smaller
>     scratches, and so on; just like you might start rubbing paint--or
>     filler--with 320grit sandpaper, then 400, then 600, 1200, etc.
>     Some polishing compounds do that 'automatically,' they start with
>     larger particles which themselves break down to smaller particles
>     and successively smooth the surface. McGuiars (sp?) has several
>     compounds, all graded on a thermometer-like scale for their
>     cutting (deep) or polishing (fine) characteristics.
>
>     I appears the lapidary (mineral-polishing) crowd has lots of
>     discussion re: best compounds. Cerium oxide is mentioned a lot,
>     rhyolite some, but I didn't see any mention of zinc oxide. Zinc is
>     a soft metal and may not lend itself to being a good polishing
>     compound, for glass anyway. Cost will (always) be an issue,
>     rhyolite may be a better compound than cerium oxide but may cost
>     more, or vice versa.
>
>     bs
>
>
>     On 9/30/2023 9:46 AM, llennep@verizon.net
>     What is special about cerium oxide?  Why not use zinc oxide?
>
>     On Saturday, September 30, 2023, 04:20:50 AM EDT, Mark Donaldson
>     wrote:
>
>
>     Ira,
>
>     I have a spare windscreen with wiper blade â??rainbowâ?? scratches on
>     both sides.  To remove them I have purchased some CERIUM OXIDE to
>     make a paste and hand-polish them out.
>
>     The people at the glass company told me the process will be slow
>     (a lot of elbow grease) but applying it to a soft rotary pad will
>     speed up the procedure.
>
>     My cost equates to about US $15 for 4 ounces.  That amount should
>     do the whole windscreen.
>
>     Here is a useful YouTube link: https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50
>     <https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50>
>
>
>
>     I hope this will help.
>
>     Mark
>
>     Ardmore
>
>     NZ
>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, 30 September 2023 5:08 AM
>     *Cc:* Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
>
>     I got nothing to loose. Might as well give it a try. BTW, this is
>     on my 67B. Those windscreens are spendy to replace
>
>     Ira Erbs
>     Milwaukie, OR
>     1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>     1967 MGB Roadster
>
>     On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 9:06 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net
>
>         I used a kit with some sandpaper, a mild abrasive and an
>         attachment for a drill to polish my BN2's windshield. IIRC, I
>         got it from Eastwood:
>
>         https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html
>         <https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html>
>
>         The 'rule-of-thumb' is if the scratch can be felt with a
>         fingernail it can't be removed, but my car had mostly mild
>         wiper wear and the kit did the job well enough I can live with it.
>
>         Bob
>
>         On 9/29/2023 3:41 AM, Robert Markovich via Healeys wrote:
>
>             There are some some places that polish windshields. But
>             ultimately it may be more cost-effective to simply
>             replace. Triplex is the brand to use; an OEM manufacturer
>             that supplied them back then. The rest often donâ??t fit
>             right and eventually crack from stress points, as Iâ??ve found.
>
>             Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>             
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
>             On Friday, September 29, 2023, 2:01 AM, i erbs
>
>                 Howdy all
>
>                 Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade
>                 scratches from a windscreen?
>
>                 Thanks all
>
>                 Ira Erbs
>                 Milwaukie, OR
>                 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>                 1967 MGB Roadster
>
>
>

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    Of course. That was a reach. A quick search didn't show ZnO favored
    by the gem-polishing crowd. It does make a good sun block.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/30/2023 2:04 PM,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:llennep@verizon.net";>llennep@verizon.net</a> wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      Props of elemental zinc are likely very different from the
      compound zinc oxide. 
      <div>Keith</div>
      <div>Chemist<br>
        <br>
        <br>
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        <p class="yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size: 15px; color:
          #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Saturday,
          September 30, 2023, 4:45 PM, Bob Spidell
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>&lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;</a> wrote:</p>
        <blockquote class="iosymail">
          <div id="yiv5251287396">
            <div> Same with any grinding compound: The components are
              selected for their shape, hence 'cutting' ability,
              hardness, purpose, cost, etc.  A compound with large
              particles with sharp edges will cut deeper and faster than
              one with particles of a softer and/or more rounded shape.
              The kit I bought came with a paste consisting of rhyolite
              and whatever semi-liquid was used to make it a paste; it
              appears aluminum oxide is also used. <br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              A coarser compound will remove deeper scratches, but leave
              its own scratches. You can start with a coarser compound
              to remove larger scratches, then switch to a finer
              compound to remove smaller scratches, and so on; just like
              you might start rubbing paint--or filler--with 320grit
              sandpaper, then 400, then 600, 1200, etc. Some polishing
              compounds do that 'automatically,' they start with larger
              particles which themselves break down to smaller particles
              and successively smooth the surface. McGuiars (sp?) has
              several compounds, all graded on a thermometer-like scale
              for their cutting (deep) or polishing (fine)
              characteristics.<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              I appears the lapidary (mineral-polishing) crowd has lots
              of discussion re: best compounds. Cerium oxide is
              mentioned a lot, rhyolite some, but I didn't see any
              mention of zinc oxide. Zinc is a soft metal and may not
              lend itself to being a good polishing compound, for glass
              anyway. Cost will (always) be an issue, rhyolite may be a
              better compound than cerium oxide but may cost more, or
              vice versa.<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              bs<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              <div id="yiv5251287396yqtfd83629"
                class="yiv5251287396yqt1317478113">
                <div class="yiv5251287396moz-cite-prefix">On 9/30/2023
                  9:46 AM, <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer"
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                    moz-txt-link-freetext" 
moz-do-not-send="true">llennep@verizon.net</a>
                  wrote:<br clear="none">
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                  <div dir="ltr">What is special about cerium oxide?
                     Why not use zinc oxide?</div>
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                  </div>
                </div>
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                  id="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yahoo_quoted_6475527098"
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                    <div> On Saturday, September 30, 2023, 04:20:50 AM
                      EDT, Mark Donaldson <a rel="nofollow noopener
                        noreferrer" shape="rect"
                        ymailto="mailto:ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz";
                        target="_blank"
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                        class="yiv5251287396moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                        
moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz&gt;</a>
                      wrote: </div>
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                            <p
                              
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Ira,</span></p>
                            <p
                              
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">  </span></p>
                            <p
                              
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I have a spare windscreen
                                with wiper blade â??rainbowâ?? scratches on
                                both sides.  To remove them I have
                                purchased some CERIUM OXIDE to make a
                                paste and hand-polish them out.  </span></p>
                            <p
                              
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">The people at the glass
                                company told me the process will be slow
                                (a lot of elbow grease) but applying it
                                to a soft rotary pad will speed up the
                                procedure.</span></p>
                            <p
                              
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">My cost equates to about
                                US $15 for 4 ounces.  That amount should
                                do the whole windscreen.</span></p>
                            <p
                              
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">  </span></p>
                            <p
                              
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Here is a useful YouTube
                                link:   </span><span
                                style="font-family:sans-serif;"><a
                                  rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer"
                                  shape="rect" target="_blank"
                                  href="https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50";
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                    
style="color:#0563C1;">https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50</span></a></span></p>
                            <p
                              
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                                style="font-family:sans-serif;">  </span></p>
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style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">  </span></p>
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style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"></span></p>
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style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#003399;">  </span></p>
                            <p
                              
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#003399;">I hope this will help.</span></p>
                            <p
                              
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#003399;">  </span></p>
                            <p
                              
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style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#003399;">Mark</span></p>
                            <p
                              
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#003399;">Ardmore</span></p>
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class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#003399;">NZ</span></p>
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                                      lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                                    lang="EN-US"> i erbs <a
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                                    <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 30 September
                                    2023 5:08 AM<br clear="none">
                                    <b>To:</b> Bob Spidell <a
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                                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]
                                    Windscreen scratches</span></p>
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class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal">I
                                  got nothing to loose. Might as well
                                  give it a try. BTW, this is on my 67B.
                                  Those windscreens are spendy to
                                  replace </p>
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                                  <p
                                    
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal">Ira
                                    Erbs<br clear="none">
                                    Milwaukie, OR<br clear="none">
                                    1959 Austin Healey 100-6<br
                                      clear="none">
                                    1967 MGB Roadster</p>
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class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal">On
                                    Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 9:06 AM Bob
                                    Spidell &lt;<a rel="nofollow
                                      noopener noreferrer" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target="_blank"
                                      href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
class="yiv5251287396moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                      
moz-do-not-send="true">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;
                                    wrote:</p>
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                                    <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"
                                      
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal">I
                                      used a kit with some sandpaper, a
                                      mild abrasive and an attachment
                                      for a drill to polish my BN2's
                                      windshield. IIRC, I got it from
                                      Eastwood:<br clear="none">
                                      <br clear="none">
                                      <a rel="nofollow noopener
                                        noreferrer" shape="rect"
                                        target="_blank"
href="https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html";
class="yiv5251287396moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                        
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html</a><br
                                        clear="none">
                                      <br clear="none">
                                      The 'rule-of-thumb' is if the
                                      scratch can be felt with a
                                      fingernail it can't be removed,
                                      but my car had mostly mild wiper
                                      wear and the kit did the job well
                                      enough I can live with it.<br
                                        clear="none">
                                      <br clear="none">
                                      Bob<br clear="none">
                                      <br clear="none">
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                                      <p
                                        
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal">On
                                        9/29/2023 3:41 AM, Robert
                                        Markovich via Healeys wrote:</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote
                                      
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">
                                      <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"
                                        
class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal">There
                                        are some some places that polish
                                        windshields. But ultimately it
                                        may be more cost-effective
                                        to simply replace. Triplex is
                                        the brand to use; an OEM
                                        manufacturer that supplied them
                                        back then. The rest often donâ??t
                                        fit right and eventually crack
                                        from stress points, as Iâ??ve
                                        found. <br clear="none">
                                        <br clear="none">
                                      </p>
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class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal">Is
                                                there any proven way to
                                                remove wiper blade
                                                scratches from a
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class="yiv5251287396ydp975197d1yiv6310450809MsoNormal">Ira
                                                  Erbs<br clear="none">
                                                  Milwaukie, OR<br
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                                                  1959 Austin Healey
                                                  100-6<br clear="none">
                                                  1967 MGB Roadster</p>
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