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Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters

To: Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
From: Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 10:45:30 -0700
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Hi Mark,

Just because one set of filters was found with satin black air filters does
not make it so. Especially since the owner stated that the car had a chrome
valve cover and these were typically sold as a set with the air filters
also in chrome [I've seen at least four original ealy BN1s with chrome
valve covers and they ALL had chrome air filters too]. The more likely
scenario is that over 70 years, the chrome started looking tatty and the PO
painted them black.

For now, the Concours standards state either wrinkle black on early BN1s
and Hammertone engine green on later BN1s and BN2s. If we can find three
examples of early original/documented cars with satin black air filter
housings, we will definitely revisit this issue.

Cheers,

Curt

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 10:03=E2=80=AFPM Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness@xtr=
a.co.nz>
wrote:

> That the BN1s had both satin and wrinkle finishes is interesting.
>
> My June 1956 BN2 has the optional chromed air filters, but a regular
> painted rocker cover.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* jomar healey <ah53@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 10 September 2023 1:03 PM
> *To:* Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz>; Roland Wilhelmy <
> sentenac.rw@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
>
>
>
>
>
> The air filters on #923 were a satin black.  I do believe them to be
> original, though tthe car had the optional chrome valve cover which I
> believe would have included chrome filters.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023, 08:35:31 PM EDT, Roland Wilhelmy <
> sentenac.rw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I believe that they had a wrinkle or crackle finish.  #724 did and I
> refinished in crackle.
>
> -Roland
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2023, 4:49 PM Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> This raises a =E2=80=98change-over=E2=80=99 question.
>
> I have seen both Satin Black and Crackle Black on BN1 air filters.
>
>    1. At about what engine number might the change to Hammertone Green
>    been made?
>    2. Was both Satin and Crackle black used on the BN1 filters =E2=80=93 =
or is
>    one  correct, and the other not?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
> Ardmore
>
> NZ
>
>
>
> *From:* Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 10 September 2023 4:18 AM
> *To:* Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
>
>
>
> Michael,
>
>
>
> Absolutely, they were painted the same Hammertone green. I have restored
> two originals that definitely had green paint on the front, back and mesh=
.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Curtis
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 7:16=E2=80=AFAM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmai=
l.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm restoring the air filters on my low mileage BN2. The front and
> back plates of the filter assemblies are still painted with the
> original green hammertone paint but there is absolutely no evidence of
> green paint anywhere on the perforated grille which covers the filter
> elements.
> As far as I can tell these appear to have been unpainted mild steel.
> Does anyone know for sure whether these were painted?
>
> M
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Mark,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Just because one set of =
filters was found with satin black air filters does not make it so. Especia=
lly since the owner stated that the car had a chrome valve cover and these =
were typically sold as a set with the air filters also in chrome [I&#39;ve =
seen at least four original=C2=A0ealy BN1s with chrome valve covers and the=
y ALL had chrome air filters too]. The more likely scenario=C2=A0is that=C2=
=A0over 70 years, the=C2=A0chrome started looking tatty and the PO painted =
them black.</div><div><br></div><div>For now, the Concours standards state =
either wrinkle black on early BN1s and Hammertone engine green on later BN1=
s and BN2s. If we can find three examples of early original/documented cars=
 with satin black air filter housings, we will definitely=C2=A0revisit this=
 issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Curt</div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 10:03=E2=80=AFPM Mark Donaldson &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz">ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg-=
5054899419725079475"><div lang=3D"EN-NZ" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word=
;"><div class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">That th=
e BN1s had both satin and wrinkle finishes is interesting.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)">My June 1956 BN2 has the optional chromed air filter=
s, but a regular painted rocker cover.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125=
)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Mark<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:non=
e;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0c=
m"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US"> jomar healey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ah53@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_=
blank">ah53@yahoo.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 10 September 2023 1:=
03 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Donaldson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ardmorebusiness@xt=
ra.co.nz" target=3D"_blank">ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt;; Roland Wilh=
elmy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sentenac.rw@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">sentena=
c.rw@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [He=
aleys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">The air filters on #923 w=
ere a satin black.=C2=A0 I do believe them to be original, though tthe car =
had the optional chrome valve cover which I believe would have included chr=
ome filters.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Joe<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></=
div><div id=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yahoo_quoted_4461705575"><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,san=
s-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Saturday, September 9, 2023, 08:35:31 PM ED=
T, Roland Wilhelmy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sentenac.rw@gmail.com"; target=3D"_=
blank">sentenac.rw@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helve=
tica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvet=
ica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><d=
iv><div id=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859"><div><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-ser=
if;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I believe that they had a wrinkle or crackle finish=
.=C2=A0 #724 did and I refinished in crackle.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,=
sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">-Roland=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p><div><div id=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859yqtfd0=
8102"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family=
:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Sat, Sep 9, 2023, 4:49 PM Mar=
k Donaldson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></di=
v></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-botto=
m:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margi=
n-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div id=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv54804168=
59yqtfd94809"><div><div><p class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859mson=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(31,73,125)">Gentlemen,</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family=
:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">This raises a =
=E2=80=98change-over=E2=80=99 question.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I=
 have seen both Satin Black and Crackle Black on BN1 air filters.</span><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40=
,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"m_-5=
054899419725079475yiv5480416859m1141928689070237988msolistparagraph" style=
=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helveti=
ca,sans-serif">At about what engine number might the change to Hammertone G=
reen been made?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,s=
ans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv=
5480416859m1141928689070237988msolistparagraph" style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,12=
5)"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Was bot=
h Satin and Crackle black used on the BN1 filters =E2=80=93 or is one=C2=A0=
 correct, and the other not?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class=3D"m_-50548=
99419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Cheers,</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u=
></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859msono=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:=
rgb(31,73,125)">Mark</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvet=
ica,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m=
_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;=
font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Ardmore</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,12=
5)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv548041685=
9msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;=
color:rgb(31,73,125)">NZ</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:He=
lvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,4=
0,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bott=
om:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt =
0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><b><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(38,40,42)">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> Curtis Arndt &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">cnaarndt@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 10 September 2023 4:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healey=
s@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subjec=
t:</b> Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters</span><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></=
u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859ms=
onormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;col=
or:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"m_-505489=
9419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Michael,<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p><div><p class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"=
>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_-50548994197250794=
75yiv5480416859msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helveti=
ca,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Absolutely, they were painted the same H=
ammertone green. I have restored two originals that definitely had green pa=
int on the front, back and mesh.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0<u></u><u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859m=
sonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(38,40,42)">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"m=
_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;=
font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859msonorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rg=
b(38,40,42)">Curtis<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"m_-5054=
899419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-f=
amily:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p><div><div><p class=3D"m_-5054899419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40=
,42)">On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 7:16=E2=80=AFAM Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top=
:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><p class=3D"m_-505=
4899419725079475yiv5480416859msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42=
)">I&#39;m restoring the air filters on my low mileage BN2. The front and<b=
r>back plates of the filter assemblies are still painted with the<br>origin=
al green hammertone paint but there is absolutely no evidence of<br>green p=
aint anywhere on the perforated grille which covers the filter</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,12=
5)"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;=
color:rgb(38,40,42)">elements.<br>As far as I can tell these appear to have=
 been unpainted mild steel.<br>Does anyone know for sure whether these were=
 painted?<br><br>M<br>_______________________________________________<br>Su=
pport Team.Net <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html"; target=3D"_blank=
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