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This is great feedback David!
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 4:49=E2=80=AFPM David Nock BCS via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
> For an update on radiators and cooling
>
> This Sunday the GGAHC had their Ice Cream Social in Danville California,
> Afterwards I had wine event and a friends winery in Lodi.
>
> If you havent heard we are in the middle of a major heat wave here in
> Central California. The day time temp at noon on Sunday way 105 degrees a=
nd
> warmed up to a mild 109 by 4 pm.
>
> Of course since I started out at our Club event I took the Healey. With a
> alluminium radiator.
>
> The engine temperature ran a steady 185 to 190 degrees at 70 mph
>
> This is how I like to test something. A real life personal test on how a
> part works.
>
>
>
> David Nock
> British Car Specialists
> 209-948-8767
> www.britishcarspecialists.com
>
>
>
> *From:* David Nock BCS
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2023 9:08 AM
> *To:* Leonard Berkowitz ; healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Heater query
>
> We have been dealing with the British Car industry for only about 70
> years, from an independent shop in the 50s and 60s, then a BL dealer in t=
he
> 70s and 80s. Then back to an independent repair shop dealing strictly
> British Cars the entire time.
>
> WE have dealt with running hot and overheating the entire time. Up until
> about 10 years ago we had been installing a special high efficency radiat=
or
> core in all our radiators. We would not paint the cores, change the necks
> to a short neck allowing a higher pressure cap, correct thermostats,
> installed air ducts correctly. All of these things helped.
>
> I am personnally hesitant to make changes until I have installed in my ow=
n
> personal car and actually seen a difference. On my BN4 I have a highly
> upgraded motor, a 3000 motor that is bored .060 over, perfomance MSD
> ignition and much more. I was continually having hot running problems her=
e
> in the central valley of California with the summer temps always in the
> high 90s and upto 110.
>
> I removed one of my upgraded radiators and installed an alluminium
> radiator, with 2 rows of 1=E2=80=9D tubes. The original Healey radiator =
is a 2 row
> core with 1/2 tubes, the upgraded core we have been installing is a 3 row
> core with 3/8 tubes with a new style fin. This esentially gave us more tu=
be
> to fin area as well as more fin to air surface.
>
> Now with the newer alloy radiator we gained more tube size, more tube to
> fin and more fin to air contact, This making better cooling.
>
> Now for the test, I installed the alloy radiator in my car, and
> immediately the running temperature dropped by about 10 to 20 degrees
> depending on the day. However I still had an issue with slow traffic
> speeds. It was much better but I wanted to make it better. So I installe=
d
> a pusher fan on a thermostat set at 180 degrees, and now all the heating
> issues are gone.
>
> So maybe if you compare equal sized radiators with equal fins and tubes,
> the copper brass radiators are better. But my own personal test in my car
> proved to me that the alloy radiator was the cure.
>
>
>
> David Nock
> British Car Specialists
> 209-948-8767
> www.britishcarspecialists.com
>
> *From:* Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:43 AM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Heater query
>
> I do not have any experience with aluminum radiators but I have tried oil
> coolers, "Texas fans", and electric fans. I finally had my original recor=
ed
> with a core that has extra rows. The upper tank is original but the lower
> is thicker, which made installation a little challenging. The radiator ha=
s
> been in for at least 15-20 years. I have driven under almost every
> condition- very hot ambient temps, high speed (80-90MPH) traffic etc. and
> the engine temps stay where they should be. Strongly recommend this
> option, especially since it almost impossible to distinguish my radiator
> from the stock original and it has worked to perfection.
> Len B
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of
> warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2023 9:49 AM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>; BJ8Healeys <
> sbyers@ec.rr.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Heater query
>
> My 100 radiator is in need of some rehabilitation. It either needs to be
> boiled out, which would not replace some of the damaged fins, or re-cored=
.
> I am leaning toward re-coring but that would be more expensive, which lea=
ds
> to the aluminum option.
> Besides price what are the pros vs. cons of these options? Does anyone
> know if re-cored 100 radiator is more efficient than an aluminum radiator=
?
> Gary H
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 09:02:21 PM CDT, BJ8Healeys via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I live in the sunny South (90=C2=B0 F and 90% relative humidity today) an=
d I
> used to refer to my BJ8=E2=80=99s heater as the =E2=80=9Cauxiliary engine=
cooler=E2=80=9D; but I no
> longer have to use it that way since I had a modern core installed in th=
e
> radiator and added a 190=C2=B0 sleeved thermostat that I bought from Kees=
.
>
>
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC USA
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This is great feedback David!<div><br></div></div><br><div=
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 17=
, 2023 at 4:49=E2=80=AFPM David Nock BCS via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:=
healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg-36981022663=
84927044">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>For an update on radiators and cooling</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>This Sunday the GGAHC had their Ice Cream Social in Danville Californi=
a,=20
Afterwards I had wine event and a friends winery in Lodi. </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>If you havent heard we are in the middle of a major heat wave here in=
=20
Central California. The day time temp at noon on Sunday way 105 degrees and=
=20
warmed up to a mild 109 by 4 pm. </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Of course since I started out at our Club event I took the Healey. Wit=
h a=20
alluminium radiator.=C2=A0 </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>The engine temperature ran a steady 185 to=C2=A0 190 degrees at 70 mph=
=20
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>This is how=C2=A0 I like to test something. A real life personal test =
on=20
how a part works.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century;color:rgb(0,0,0)">David=20
Nock<br>British Car Specialists<br>209-948-8767<br><a href=3D"http://www.br=
itishcarspecialists.com" target=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a=
></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century;color:rgb(0,0,0)">=C2=A0</=
div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century;color:rgb(0,0,0)">=C2=A0</=
div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font=
-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
<div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"healeydoc@sbcglobal.net">David Nock BCS</a> <=
/div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 13, 2023 9:08 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"drberkowitz@hotmail.com">Leonard Berkowitz</a> =
; <a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Heater query</div></div></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font=
-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>We have been dealing with the British=C2=A0 Car industry for only abou=
t 70=20
years, from an independent shop in the 50s and 60s, then a BL dealer in the=
70s=20
and 80s. Then back to an independent repair shop dealing strictly British C=
ars=20
the entire time.=C2=A0 </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>WE have dealt with running hot and overheating the entire time. Up unt=
il=20
about 10 years ago we had been installing a special high efficency radiator=
core=20
in all our radiators. We would not paint the cores, change the necks to a s=
hort=20
neck allowing a higher pressure cap, correct thermostats, installed air duc=
ts=20
correctly. All of these things helped. </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>I am personnally hesitant to make changes until I have installed in my=
own=20
personal car and actually seen a difference. On my BN4 I have a highly upgr=
aded=20
motor, a 3000 motor that is bored .060 over, perfomance MSD ignition and mu=
ch=20
more. I was continually having hot running problems here in the central val=
ley=20
of California with the summer temps always in the high 90s and upto 110. </=
div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>I removed one of my upgraded radiators and installed an alluminium=20
radiator, with 2 rows of=C2=A0 1=E2=80=9D tubes. The original Healey radiat=
or is a 2 row=20
core with 1/2 tubes, the upgraded core we have been installing is a 3 row c=
ore=20
with 3/8 tubes with a new style fin. This esentially gave us more tube to f=
in=20
area as well as more fin to air surface.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Now with the newer alloy radiator we gained more tube size, more tube =
to=20
fin and more fin to air contact, This making better cooling.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Now for the test, I installed the alloy radiator in my car, and immedi=
ately=20
the running temperature dropped by about 10 to 20 degrees depending on the =
day.=20
However I still had an issue with slow traffic speeds. It was much better=
=C2=A0=20
but I wanted to make it better. So I installed a pusher fan on a thermostat=
set=20
at 180 degrees, and now all the heating issues are gone.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>So maybe if you compare equal sized radiators with equal fins and tube=
s,=20
the copper brass radiators are better. But my own personal test in my car p=
roved=20
to me that the alloy radiator was the cure.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>David Nock<br>British Car=20
Specialists<br>209-948-8767<br><a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.=
com" target=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font=
-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
<div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">Leonard Berkowitz via=
Healeys</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:43 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net<=
/a>=20
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Heater query</div></div></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font=
-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:calibri,helvetica,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">I=20
do not have any experience with aluminum radiators but I have tried oil coo=
lers,=20
"Texas fans", and electric fans. I finally had my original recore=
d with a core=20
that has extra rows. The upper tank is original but the lower is thicker, w=
hich=20
made installation a little challenging. The radiator has been in for at lea=
st=20
15-20 years.=C2=A0 I have driven under almost every condition- very hot amb=
ient=20
temps, high speed (80-90MPH) traffic etc. and the engine temps stay where t=
hey=20
should be.=C2=A0 Strongly recommend this option, especially since it almost=
=20
impossible to distinguish my radiator from the stock original and it has wo=
rked=20
to perfection.=C2=A0 </div>
<div id=3D"m_-2740138951392907593appendonsend"></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:calibri,helvetica,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">Len=20
B</div>
<hr style=3D"width:98%;display:inline-block">
<div id=3D"m_-2740138951392907593divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"=
font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> =
Healeys=20
<<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">hea=
leys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of warthodson--- via Healeys=
=20
<<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@aut=
ox.team.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 11, 2023 9:49=20
AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">healeys@autox.team.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>;=20
BJ8Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com"; target=3D"_blank">sbyers=
@ec.rr.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Heater=20
query</font>=20
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-size:16px;font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-ser=
if">
<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">My 100 radiator is in need of some=20
rehabilitation. It either needs to be boiled out, which would not replace s=
ome=20
of the damaged fins, or re-cored. I am leaning toward re-coring but that wo=
uld=20
be more expensive, which leads to the aluminum option.=C2=A0 </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Besides price what are the pros vs. cons of=20
these options? Does anyone know if re-cored 100 radiator is more efficient =
than=20
an aluminum radiator?</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Gary H</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
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<div style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",helveti=
ca,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
<div>On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 09:02:21 PM CDT, BJ8Healeys via Healeys=20
<<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@aut=
ox.team.net</a>> wrote: </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"m_-2740138951392907593x_ydp70f1316yiv6075989256">
<div>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">I live in the sunny South (90</span=
><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=B0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(31,73,125)"> F and=20
90% relative humidity today) and I used to refer to my BJ8=E2=80=99s heater=
as the=20
=E2=80=9Cauxiliary engine cooler=E2=80=9D; but I no longer have to use=C2=
=A0 it that way since I=20
had a modern core installed in the radiator and added a 190</span><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=B0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125=
)">=20
sleeved thermostat that I bought from Kees.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Steve Byers</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">HBJ8L/36666</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">BJ8 Registry</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">AHCA Delegate at Large</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Havelock, NC=C2=A0 USA</span></p>
<p><a shape=3D"rect" name=3D"m_-2740138951392907593_x__MailEndCompose"><spa=
n style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></a>=C2=A0</p>
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