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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rebuilt Engine Compression
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:15:55 -0700
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Almost sounds like the cam is /way/ out of phase (I think even unlapped 
valves would seal better than that). The 'count 13 links' cam install 
'system' is wonky at best and confusing. Fortunately, I don't think the 
Austin is an interference engine.

On 6/12/2023 3:50 AM, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys wrote:
>
>
> Hello Patrick,
>
>
> Between 5 and 10lbs can barely be called a compression so something 
> serious is amiss. It should be well above 5bar for any engine. 
> Depending on C-R and wear. Even with a slightly burned or not lapped 
> in valve.
>
> If it is not the clearances it really looks like a head off job to 
> investigate and sort the valves. Luckily not too big a job on the A-H.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Kees
>
>
>
> Op 12-6-2023 om 12:01 schreef Patrick and Caroline Quinn:
>>
>> Hello Kees
>>
>> Thank you for your response.
>>
>> Iâ??m afraid I tried all that. Plugs are wet! Even made sure the earth 
>> strap was earthing properly. Also used a starting fluid called â??Start 
>> ya Bastard!â??
>>
>> I did a compression test and each cylinder was between 5 and 10 lbs. 
>> Not quite what it should be.
>>
>> When the engine expired last year, the first thing I did was to have 
>> the cylinder head pressure tested. It was okay, but I suspect that 
>> when they put it back together the valves were not lapped in. The 
>> head comes off next weekend to check.
>>
>> Hoo Roo
>>
>> Patrick Quinn
>>
>> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Kees 
>> Oudesluijs via Healeys
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2023 6:43 PM
>> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Rebuilt Engine Compression
>>
>> Did you check the firing order, camshaft timing, valve clearances? 
>> Does the distributor shaft turn when the engine is turning over?
>>
>> Check the bypass wiring of the ballast resistor. Check the correct 
>> wiring of the coil, you would not be te first to have the polarity wrong.
>>
>> The compression on a freshly rebuild engine is lower than on an 
>> engine that has been properly run in. It also depends on the 
>> tolerances and surface finishes used in the rebuild. Assuming that it 
>> is a proper rebuild the compression should not be an issue here. 
>> Whatever the compression the engine should start.
>>
>> Timing and fuel cannot be spot on as the engine is not running and 
>> fine tuning of mixture and ignition should be made on a running 
>> engine.  It is however not an issue either as you set ignition 
>> initially statically as you do with the adjustment of the carbs and 
>> it should at least run on that.
>>
>> Are the spark plugs wet or dry after churning? Try spraying some easy 
>> start fluid (mainly Aether) into the throat of the carbs during 
>> turning over and see if you get some life.  If so it is a fuel issue.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Kees Oudesluijs
>>
>> Op 12-6-2023 om 07:41 schreef Patrick and Caroline Quinn via Healeys:
>>
>>     Hello
>>
>>     No amount of churning over with a new battery will induce the
>>     BN3â??s rebuilt engine to fire. Even towing the car up and down the
>>     road failed to instill any life into the engine.
>>
>>     Everything is spot on â?? timing, spark and fuel.
>>
>>     Anyone have an idea as to what the compression be on a rebuilt
>>     engine should be?
>>
>>     Many thanks
>>
>>     Patrick Quinn
>>
>>     Blue Mountains, Australia
>>
>>

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    Almost sounds like the cam is <i>way</i> out of phase (I think even
    unlapped valves would seal better than that). The 'count 13 links'
    cam install 'system' is wonky at best and confusing. Fortunately, I
    don't think the Austin is an interference engine.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/12/2023 3:50 AM, Kees Oudesluijs
      via Healeys wrote:<br>
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        Hello Patrick,</p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <p>Between 5 and 10lbs can barely be called a compression so
        something serious is amiss. It should be well above 5bar for any
        engine. Depending on C-R and wear. Even with a slightly burned
        or not lapped in valve.<br>
      </p>
      <p>If it is not the clearances it really looks like a head off job
        to investigate and sort the valves. Luckily not too big a job on
        the A-H.</p>
      <br>
      <p>Cheers,<br>
        Kees</p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 12-6-2023 om 12:01 schreef Patrick
        and Caroline Quinn:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hello Kees<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your response.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Iâ??m afraid I tried all that. Plugs are
            wet! Even made sure the earth strap was earthing properly.
            Also used a starting fluid called â??Start ya 
Bastard!â??<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I did a compression test and each
            cylinder was between 5 and 10 lbs. Not quite what it should
            be.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">When the engine expired last year, the
            first thing I did was to have the cylinder head pressure
            tested. It was okay, but I suspect that when they put it
            back together the valves were not lapped in. The head comes
            off next weekend to check.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Hoo Roo<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                  lang="EN-US"> Healeys <a
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                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 12, 2023 6:43 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated
                    moz-txt-link-freetext"
                    href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                    moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Rebuilt Engine
                  Compression<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p>Did you check the firing order, camshaft timing, valve
            clearances? Does the distributor shaft turn when the engine
            is turning over?<span
              
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p>Check the bypass wiring of the ballast resistor. Check the
            correct wiring of the coil, you would not be te first to
            have the polarity wrong.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>The compression on a freshly rebuild engine is lower than
            on an engine that has been properly run in. It also depends
            on the tolerances and surface finishes used in the rebuild.
            Assuming that it is a proper rebuild the compression should
            not be an issue here. Whatever the compression the engine
            should start.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Timing and fuel cannot be spot on as the engine is not
            running and fine tuning of mixture and ignition should be
            made on a running engine.  It is however not an issue either
            as you set ignition initially statically as you do with the
            adjustment of the carbs and it should at least run on 
that.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Are the spark plugs wet or dry after churning? Try spraying
            some easy start fluid (mainly Aether) into the throat of the
            carbs during turning over and see if you get some life.  If
            so it is a fuel issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Good luck.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p>Kees Oudesluijs<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Op 12-6-2023 om 07:41 schreef Patrick
              and Caroline Quinn via Healeys:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Hello<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">No amount of churning over with a new
              battery will induce the BN3â??s rebuilt engine to fire. Even
              towing the car up and down the road failed to instill any
              life into the engine.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Everything is spot on â?? timing, spark
              and fuel.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Anyone have an idea as to what the
              compression be on a rebuilt engine should be?<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Blue Mountains, Australia<o:p></o:p></p>
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