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Word to the wise.
I recently installed a new County oil pump in my AH 3000. The
engine builder took the brand new pump apart to inspect and found a
significant amount of flashing from the housing casting inside the pump.
The pump housing was cleaned up with a small die grinder and reassembled.
The flashing was both impeding flow and could have easily come loose at
some point.
Oil pressure on the finished engine is good. Whatever pump you buy, take it
apart for inspection first.
Harold
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 8:30 AM Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
> You do not want a higher than standard oil pressure for normal use but
> extra oil flow is never a bad thing in a hot engine. If you fit a high
> volume pump you will get a higher oil pressure and you have to reduce the
> oil pressure to standard by fitting a weaker spring or adjusting the spri=
ng
> tension if possible.
>
> Failing to do that may lead to the earlier mentioned damage to the cam
> wheel and perhaps some other parts.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
> Op 22-2-2023 om 16:14 schreef Simon Lachlan via Healeys:
>
> I fitted the Welch =E2=80=9CHigh Capacity=E2=80=9D pump some years back. =
Gained some psi
> across the range. Only fitted because it turned up brand new and v.cheap =
on
> eBay.
>
> Anyhow, I dug up the attached which is rather long and rather above my
> technical skills or interest=E2=80=A6.I=E2=80=99d imagine it=E2=80=99s be=
en around the block a few
> times so most of you will have it filed away.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>
> <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Bob Spidell
> *Sent:* 22 February 2023 14:08
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Parts from UK BJ8
>
>
>
> This was news to me (from Roger Moment's new book; 'engine' section):
>
> "I have found new gear-type pumps to have one gear a few thousandths of a=
n
> inch taller than the other, and neither with the proper clearance to the
> bottom cover plate. This required finding someone with a grinding table w=
ho
> could make the gears identical, and then also machine the bottom of the
> pump housing so that the proper end clearance to the cover plate would
> result." I would at least check this on a gear-type pump.
>
> The only knock on the vane-type pumps that I've aware of is that the
> resistance was so high it would cause the cam gear driving it to wear and
> eventually be stripped. I think this was addressed by adding an extra too=
th
> to the pump driveshaft driven gear, hence lowering the torque on the gear=
s.
> I have no supporting evidence offhand, but I recall reading this somewher=
e
> (now if I could just remember where I put my keys).
>
> FWIW, I have about 7K miles on the 'upgraded'--presumably
> rotary-type--pump from DWM in my BJ8 and my oil pressure is stable, and n=
o
> metal in the oil. I believe the gear-type pump's gears are made of sinter=
ed
> iron; which I recall from long ago caused problems in some aircraft pisto=
n
> engines--Lycomings* IIRC--and I've never really trusted them since (thoug=
h
> my Mustang GT with 475HP has a pump with sintered gears with no issues th=
at
> I know of, but aftermarket vendors offer ones with machined gears for
> boosted engines).
>
> Side note: When my dad was a factory rep for Ford back in the sixties, he
> said owners would bring their cars in because 'The oil pressure drops at
> idle.' Possibly one reason why manufacturers went to idiot lights, though=
I
> suspect cost was the major factor.
>
>
> *
> https://www.knr-inc.com/shop-talk-articles.html?id=3D101:200110-lycoming-=
oil-pumps&catid=3D25
>
>
> On 2/21/2023 11:18 PM, Alan Seigrist via Healeys wrote:
>
> As I understand it, the rotary vane was much better for maintaining
> pressure at low rpms, which is good for a road car.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 2:18 PM Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The rotary vane pump was used in the 100/6 - 26D - engines. It caused
> many problems. It is not suitable for any use, contrary to what someone
> may be trying to sell you.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard Mayor
> boyracer466@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2023, at 7:35 PM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> As I understand it, the rotary vane pump is superior for road
> applications, gear pump superior for racing applications.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 11:32 AM Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Bob, The brand name is =E2=80=9CCounty=E2=80=9D =E2=80=A6.. not =E2=80=
=9CCountry=E2=80=9D. Whatever brand you
> buy just be sure it is the gear style oil pump.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard Mayor
> boyracer466@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2023, at 6:49 PM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not sure why but Longstone Tyres in the UK has crazy good shipping rates.
> It's not the same with anyone else.
>
> Generally speaking when ordering parts from the UK, it seems to add about
> 30% to the total price. I have had better luck with DHL or Royal Post
> shipping for reliability of delivery in the past... seems customs works i=
n
> concert with USPS & DHL (Deutsche Post) to protect USPS, so FedEx and UPS
> sometimes can get hung up in customs. It may have improved, not sure....
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 3:31 AM <rfbegani@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I have decided to replace my oil pump and my rear bumper. I remember you
> all seem to say that Moss pumps are from country and are not satisfactory=
,
> and we should buy from the UK such as Dennis Welch.
>
>
>
> Also, have decided to replace my original real bumper because it is
> scratched and blackened in places.
>
>
>
> Also, as the pound is 1.21 to the dollar the parts from DM are almost =C2=
=BD
> price from Moss and others. My experience with UK on buying Michelin Tir=
es
> was great because freight charges via HM Post is very inexpensive and
> direct to my door. Is DM freight similar?
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
> 67 BJ8
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Word to the wise.</div>I recently installed a new Cou=
nty oil pump in my AH 3000. The engine=C2=A0builder took the brand new pump=
apart to inspect and found a significant amount of flashing from the housi=
ng casting inside=C2=A0the pump. The pump housing was cleaned up with a=C2=
=A0small die grinder and reassembled. The flashing was both impeding flow a=
nd could have easily come loose at some point.<div><br></div><div>Oil press=
ure on the finished engine is good. Whatever pump you buy, take it apart fo=
r inspection first.</div><div><br></div><div>Harold</div><div><br></div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 8:30 AM Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div>
<p>You do not want a higher than standard oil pressure for normal
use but extra oil flow is never a bad thing in a hot engine. If
you fit a high volume pump you will get a higher oil pressure and
you have to reduce the oil pressure to standard by fitting a
weaker spring or adjusting the spring tension if possible.</p>
<p>Failing to do that may lead to the earlier mentioned damage to
the cam wheel and perhaps some other parts.</p>
<p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div>Op 22-2-2023 om 16:14 schreef Simon
Lachlan via Healeys:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
=20
=20
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I
fitted the Welch =E2=80=9CHigh Capacity=E2=80=9D pump some year=
s back.
Gained some psi across the range. Only fitted because it
turned up brand new and v.cheap on eBay.<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Anyhow,
I dug up the attached which is rather long and rather above
my technical skills or interest=E2=80=A6.I=E2=80=99d imagine it=
=E2=80=99s been
around the block a few times so most of you will have it
filed away.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:no=
ne;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys
<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank"><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Bob Spidell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 February 2023 14:08<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Parts from UK BJ8<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">This was news
to me (from Roger Moment's new book; 'engine' section=
):<br>
<br>
"I have found new gear-type pumps to have one gear a few
thousandths of an inch taller than the other, and neither with
the proper clearance to the bottom cover plate. This required
finding someone with a grinding table who could make the gears
identical, and then also machine the bottom of the pump
housing so that the proper end clearance to the cover plate
would result." I would at least check this on a gear-type
pump.<br>
<br>
The only knock on the vane-type pumps that I've aware of is
that the resistance was so high it would cause the cam gear
driving it to wear and eventually be stripped. I think this
was addressed by adding an extra tooth to the pump driveshaft
driven gear, hence lowering the torque on the gears. I have no
supporting evidence offhand, but I recall reading this
somewhere (now if I could just remember where I put my keys).
<br>
<br>
FWIW, I have about 7K miles on the 'upgraded'--presumably
rotary-type--pump from DWM in my BJ8 and my oil pressure is
stable, and no metal in the oil. I believe the gear-type
pump's gears are made of sintered iron; which I recall from
long ago caused problems in some aircraft piston
engines--Lycomings* IIRC--and I've never really trusted them
since (though my Mustang GT with 475HP has a pump with
sintered gears with no issues that I know of, but aftermarket
vendors offer ones with machined gears for boosted engines).<br>
<br>
Side note: When my dad was a factory rep for Ford back in the
sixties, he said owners would bring their cars in because 'Th=
e
oil pressure drops at idle.' Possibly one reason why
manufacturers went to idiot lights, though I suspect cost was
the major factor.<br>
<br>
<br>
* <a href=3D"https://www.knr-inc.com/shop-talk-articles.html?id=
=3D101:200110-lycoming-oil-pumps&catid=3D25" target=3D"_blank">https://=
www.knr-inc.com/shop-talk-articles.html?id=3D101:200110-lycoming-oil-pumps&=
amp;catid=3D25</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2/21/2023 11:18 PM, Alan Seigrist via
Healeys wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As I understand it, the rotary vane was
much better for maintaining pressure at low rpms, which is
good for a road car.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 2:18 PM
Ricchardd Mayor <<a href=3D"mailto:boyracer466@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">boyracer466@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-b=
ottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;m=
argin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The rotary vane pump was used in
the 100/6 - 26D - engines.=C2=A0 It caused many problems.=
=C2=A0
It is not suitable for any use, contrary to what
someone may be trying to sell you. =C2=A0 <u></u><u></u><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Ric=
hard=C2=A0Mayor<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:boyracer466@gmail.com"; target=3D"_b=
lank">boyracer466@gmail.com</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Feb 21, 2023, at 7:35
PM, Alan Seigrist <<a href=3D"mailto:healey.nu=
t@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">healey.nut@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As I understand it, the
rotary vane pump is superior for road
applications, gear pump superior for racing
applications. <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at
11:32 AM Ricchardd Mayor <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:boyracer466@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">boyracer466@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right=
:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm=
0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bob, =C2=A0The brand n=
ame
is =E2=80=9CCounty=E2=80=9D =E2=80=A6.. not=
=E2=80=9CCountry=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 Whatever
brand you buy just be sure it is the
gear style oil pump.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></=
p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bo=
ttom:12pt">Richard=C2=A0Mayor<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:boyracer466@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">boyracer466@gmail.com</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margi=
n-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Feb 21,
2023, at 6:49 PM, Alan Seigrist
<<a href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">healey.nut@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Not sure
why but Longstone Tyres in the
UK has crazy good shipping
rates.=C2=A0 It's not the sam=
e with
anyone else.<br>
<br>
Generally speaking when
ordering parts from the UK, it
seems to add about 30% to the
total price.=C2=A0 I have had
better luck with DHL or Royal
Post shipping for reliability
of delivery in the=C2=A0past...
seems customs works in
concert=C2=A0with USPS & DHL
(Deutsche=C2=A0Post) to protect
USPS, so FedEx and UPS
sometimes can get hung up in
customs.=C2=A0 It may have
improved, not sure....<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed,
Feb 22, 2023 at 3:31 AM <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">rfbegani@gmail.com</a>=
> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:non=
e;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">I ha=
ve
decided to replace
my oil pump and my
rear bumper.=C2=A0 I
remember you all
seem to say that
Moss pumps are from
country and are not
satisfactory, and we
should buy from the
UK such as Dennis
Welch.=C2=A0 </span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">Also=
,
have decided to
replace my original
real bumper because
it is scratched and
blackened in places.</s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">Also=
,
as the pound is 1.21
to the dollar the
parts from DM are
almost =C2=BD price fro=
m
Moss and others.=C2=A0 =
My
experience with UK
on buying Michelin
Tires was great
because freight
charges via HM Post
is very inexpensive
and direct to my
door.=C2=A0 Is DM freig=
ht
similar?</span><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">Bob
Begani</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">67 B=
J8
</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
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