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Re: [Healeys] Starter electrical issues

To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Starter electrical issues
From: Perry Small via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 08:20:03 -0400
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There is a small coil spring in the Lucas battery switch which in my experie=
nce has been the weak link.=20
P

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2022, at 10:09 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF Plausible. I've rebuilt a battery switch, the contacts are prett=
y beefy copper plates, and I think they'd melt before they'd warp and return=
 to shape, but ... plausible.
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> On 4/5/2022 12:27 PM, Roland Wilhelmy wrote:
>> The battery switch is on the light duty side but it must carry the full s=
tarting current. I can imagine that the terminals inside the switch get hot a=
nd warp just a bit disconnecting the battery. Then if given a chance to cool=
 the terminals return to make connection once more.=20
>>=20
>> Side note: Roger Moment recommends limiting the length of time running th=
e starter when firing up a newly rebuilt engine and getting oil pressure, et=
c. Give the poor switch time to recover.=20
>>=20
>> -Roland
>>=20
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022, 11:53 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> The starter balking is understandable--at least, intuitively--but all=20=

>>> the other electricals ceasing to work isn't (assuming the battery is=20
>>> still connected). After all, this isn't a modern car with a PCM, ECU,=20=

>>> etc; we're just talking copper wire here. My folks' Lincoln would die=20=

>>> when one of the CoPs would put a voltage spike on its primary lead,=20
>>> which would knock the PCM out cold. No such silliness in a Healey.
>>>=20
>>> Just to be contrarian, maybe the starter is causing a dead short, someho=
w?
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On 4/5/2022 4:41 AM, Bob Begani via Healeys wrote:
>>> > Perry, the ground is negative.  =46rom comments made by others am just=
 going to replace the ground strap and with serrated washers so they dig int=
o the metal especially on the frame.  Will keep all advised.
>>> >
>>> > Bob
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Perry Smal=
l via Healeys
>>> > Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 7:32 PM
>>> > To: healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> > Subject: [Healeys] Starter electrical issues
>>> >
>>> > Bob
>>> > Is it possible that the after market high torque starter that you are u=
sing is set up for negative ground only? For a contact type starter like the=
 original Lucas, it doesn=E2=80=99t care but perhaps your replacement unit h=
as protection built in.
>>> > P
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> > _______________________________________________
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">There is a small coil spring in the Lucas b=
attery switch which in my experience has been the weak link.&nbsp;<div>P<br>=
<br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite">On Apr 5, 2022, at 10:09 PM, Bob Spidell &lt;bspidell@comca=
st.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
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    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8"=
>
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    Plausible. I've rebuilt a battery switch, the contacts are pretty
    beefy copper plates, and I think they'd melt before they'd warp and
    return to shape, but ... plausible.<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 4/5/2022 12:27 PM, Roland Wilhelmy
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:CADpDe+awZ7VT8wS3qPKS6UUhH9efhy1MN=
j-gXnvvD=3Dv+d5iXmg@mail.gmail.com">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-=
8">
      <div dir=3D"auto">The battery switch is on the light duty side but
        it must carry the full starting current. I can imagine that the
        terminals inside the switch get hot and warp just a bit
        disconnecting the battery. Then if given a chance to cool the
        terminals return to make connection once more.&nbsp;
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
          <div dir=3D"auto">Side note: Roger Moment recommends limiting
            the length of time running the starter when firing up a
            newly rebuilt engine and getting oil pressure, etc. Give the
            poor switch time to recover.&nbsp;</div>
          <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir=3D"auto">-Roland</div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 5, 2022, 11:53 AM
          Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; moz-do-not=
-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The starter
          balking is understandable--at least, intuitively--but all <br>
          the other electricals ceasing to work isn't (assuming the
          battery is <br>
          still connected). After all, this isn't a modern car with a
          PCM, ECU, <br>
          etc; we're just talking copper wire here. My folks' Lincoln
          would die <br>
          when one of the CoPs would put a voltage spike on its primary
          lead, <br>
          which would knock the PCM out cold. No such silliness in a
          Healey.<br>
          <br>
          Just to be contrarian, maybe the starter is causing a dead
          short, somehow?<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          On 4/5/2022 4:41 AM, Bob Begani via Healeys wrote:<br>
          &gt; Perry, the ground is negative.&nbsp; =46rom comments made by
          others am just going to replace the ground strap and with
          serrated washers so they dig into the metal especially on the
          frame.&nbsp; Will keep all advised.<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Bob<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
          &gt; From: Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D=
"moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
          On Behalf Of Perry Small via Healeys<br>
          &gt; Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 7:32 PM<br>
          &gt; To: healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-=
link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
          &gt; Subject: [Healeys] Starter electrical issues<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Bob<br>
          &gt; Is it possible that the after market high torque starter
          that you are using is set up for negative ground only? For a
          contact type starter like the original Lucas, it doesn=E2=80=99t c=
are
          but perhaps your replacement unit has protection built in.<br>
          &gt; P<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Sent from my iPhone<br>
          &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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