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AGREE-STOCK UP ON OIL! I'M SET FOR A FEW YEARS WITH THE 20-50 BUT THE=0A=
STORE I PURCHASED IT FROM WAS HAVING A CLOSEOUT SALE. BEST CLUE TO=0AZIN=
C RICH OILS IS THE SAE LABEL ON THE BOTTLE. SN=3DNO ZINC. (not=0Aliteral=
ly) But oils with SL or lower ratings do contain zinc...the=0Alower the=
SAE series the more the zinc. =0AIf you find some old oil, its good. Mo=
dern day zinc oils come from=0AMoss or Joe Gibbs costing $10/qt. or more=
Early VR-1 had lots of zinc=0Abut later ones have reduced the content.=
Someone on the list has a=0Achart of all this with values-discussed man=
y times over the years. =0AIt would be good to hear back from those folk=
s using synthetics to see=0Awhat leak issues they have/or not- as Gary n=
otes. I use Permatex,=0AHylomar, etc. and still see some "seepage", espe=
cially when a car sits=0Aout the pandemic. Hank=0A=0A=09----------------=
-------------------------From: "Bob Spidell via=0AHealeys" =0ATo: "heale=
ys@autox.team.net", "ryan@jimryan.com"=0ACc: =0ASent: Monday March 21 20=
22 9:07:35AM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] Oil grade for 100 Le Mans=0A=0A Oh=
boy! Another oil thread!=0A=0A Now that synthetic is no more expensive=
than mineral oil, in some=0Acases cheaper:=0A=0A =0A[1]https://www.cost=
co.com/kirkland-signature-5w-30-full-synthetic-motor-oil-5-quart%2c-4-pa=
ck.product.100690432.html=0A[2]=0A=0A ... I use it in my more modern car=
s and newer lawn/farm appliances.=0AThe tractors and the '46 Chevy truck=
get mineral 10W-40, just because=0Afull-syn 10W-40 isn't common and, we=
ll, that's what my dad always put=0Ain them. However, until _proven_ oth=
erwise I think flat-tappet engines=0Aneed ZDDP (although some claim syns=
work as good or better to protect=0Acam lobes--I'm not convinced). From=
what I've seen and read, ZDDP is=0Averboten in lower-vis oils, because=
they're what's spec'd in newer=0Acars with catalytic converters. Only 2=
0W-50 is claimed to have=0A'sufficient ZDDP for flat-tappet engines;' Va=
lvoline VR-1 even says it=0Aon the label. A few years ago. VR-1 suddenly=
disappeared from parts=0Astore shelves with no explanation given, then=
reappeared a couple=0Ayears later. I'm no longer able to buy VR-1 onlin=
e, but a local=0AAutozone still has some on the shelf so I stocked up. I=
think, with 9=0Afilters and enough oil for 9 changes with top-ups I've=
got a=0Anear-lifetime supply. My guess is California will ban it outrig=
ht at=0Asome point and, my rule-of-thumb is: "If California banned/is ba=
nning=0Ait it must be good" (see: 3M adhesive remover, Floway, mineral=
=0Aspirits, effective engine cleaners/degreasers, etc.).=0A=0A Bob=0A=0A=
On 3/21/2022 7:06 AM, warthodson@aol.com wrote:=0A This seems to be a c=
ommon opinion that unfortunately is not based on=0Ascience. I use synthe=
tic oils of the correct viscosity & I do not=0Aexperience leaks. A well=
build engine & transmission/overdrive do not=0Ahave to leak. Sealants n=
eed to be applied to clean dry surfaces. Gary=0AHodson=0A=0A -----Origin=
al Message-----=0A From: Douglas Barker via Healeys =0A To: Jim Ryan ; B=
ob Spidell =0A Cc: healeys@autox.team.net =0A Sent: Mon, Mar 21, 2022 8:=
37 am=0A Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil grade for 100 Le Mans=0A=0A In my=
humble exp=C3=A9rience the synthetic always leasing more =0A=0A Get Out=
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<html><body>Agree-STOCK UP ON OIL! I'm set for a few years with th=
e 20-50 but the store I purchased it from was having a closeout sale. Be=
st clue to zinc rich oils is the SAE label on the bottle. S<b>N</b>=3DNO=
ZINC. (not literally) But oils with SL or lower ratings do contain zinc=
..the lower the SAE series the more the zinc. <div><br></div><div>=
If you find some old oil, its good. Modern day zinc oils come from Moss=
or Joe Gibbs costing $10/qt. or more. Early VR-1 had lots of zinc but l=
ater ones have reduced the content. Someone on the list has a char=
t of all this with values-discussed many times over the years. <div=
><br></div><div>It would be good to hear back from those folks using syn=
thetics to see what leak issues they have/or not- as Gary notes. I use P=
ermatex, Hylomar, etc. and still see some "seepage", especially wh=
en a car sits out the pandemic. Hank<br><br><div class=3D"reply-new-sign=
ature"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>From: "Bob=
Spidell via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net><br>To: "healeys@autox.te=
am.net", "ryan@jimryan.com"<br>Cc: <br>Sent: Monday March 21 2022 9:07:3=
5AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil grade for 100 Le Mans<br><br>=0AOh boy=
! Another oil thread!<br><br>=0ANow that synthetic is no more expensive=
than mineral oil, in some=0Acases cheaper:<br><br><a class=3D"moz-txt-l=
ink-freetext" href=3D"https://www.costco.com/kirkland-signature-5w-30-fu=
ll-synthetic-motor-oil-5-quart%2C-4-pack.product.100690432.html">=0A</a>=
<a href=3D"https://www.costco.com/kirkland-signature-5w-30-full-syntheti=
c-motor-oil-5-quart%2C-4-pack.product.100690432.html">https://www.costco=
com/kirkland-signature-5w-30-full-synthetic-motor-oil-5-quart%2c-4-pack=
product.100690432.html</a><br><br>=0A... I use it in my more modern car=
s and newer lawn/farm appliances.=0AThe tractors and the '46 Chevy truck=
get mineral 10W-40, just=0Abecause full-syn 10W-40 isn't common and, we=
ll, that's what my dad=0Aalways put in them. However, until <i>proven</i=
> otherwise I think=0Aflat-tappet engines need ZDDP (although some claim=
syns work as=0Agood or better to protect cam lobes--I'm not convinced).=
From what=0AI've seen and read, ZDDP is verboten in lower-vis oils, bec=
ause=0Athey're what's spec'd in newer cars with catalytic converters. On=
ly=0A20W-50 is claimed to have 'sufficient ZDDP for flat-tappet=0Aengine=
s;' Valvoline VR-1 even says it on the label. A few years=0Aago. VR-1 su=
ddenly disappeared from parts store shelves with no=0Aexplanation given,=
then reappeared a couple years later. I'm no=0Alonger able to buy VR-1=
online, but a local Autozone still has some=0Aon the shelf so I stocked=
up. I think, with 9 filters and enough=0Aoil for 9 changes with top-ups=
I've got a near-lifetime supply. My=0Aguess is California will ban it o=
utright at some point and, my=0Arule-of-thumb is: "If California banned/=
is banning it it must be=0Agood" (see: 3M adhesive remover, Floway, mine=
ral spirits, effective=0Aengine cleaners/degreasers, etc.).<br><br>=0ABo=
b<br><br><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 3/21/2022 7:06 AM, <a class=
=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated">warthodson@aol.com</a> wrote:<br></div>=0A=
<blockquote>=0A<div style=3D"color:#000000;font:12pt 'Comic Sans MS', sa=
ns-serif;">This=0Aseems to be a common opinion that unfortunately is not=
based on=0Ascience. I use synthetic oils of the correct viscosity &=
I do not=0Aexperience leaks. A well build engine & transmission/ove=
rdrive do=0Anot have to leak. Sealants need to be applied to clean dry=
=0Asurfaces. =0A<div>Gary Hodson<br><br><br><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial, helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">=0A<font size=3D"2">-=
----Original Message-----<br>=0AFrom: Douglas Barker via Healeys <a clas=
s=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>=0A=0A=
To: Jim Ryan <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><ryan@jimryan.com>=
</a>; Bob Spidell=0A<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><bspidell@comc=
ast.net></a><br>=0ACc: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated">healeys@=
autox.team.net</a>=0A<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><healeys@auto=
x.team.net></a><br>=0A=0ASent: Mon, Mar 21, 2022 8:37 am<br>=0ASubjec=
t: Re: [Healeys] Oil grade for 100 Le Mans<br><br></font>=0A<div>=0A<div=
>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">In my humble exp=C3=A9rience the synthetic alw=
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