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Re: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two

To: Perry Small <healeyguy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
From: Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:10:54 -0800
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Reassembly of tube:  After cleaning both surfaces I apply some rosin =
flux to both surfaces and reinsert the tube. I then use an oxy torch to =
heat the box and tube and apply rosin core solder to the joint.  It =
doesn=E2=80=99t take very much solder.  =20
When you think about it, after it cools there is little or no stress on =
the joint. The box is bolted to the chassis with 3 big bolts.  The =
column is clamped to the brace on the bulkhead and there is (or should =
be) a brace on the side from the column clamp to the A pillar area. =
Turning the steering wheel does not put any stress on the column. Having =
said that, if the column is bent, or if the steering shaft is bent, =
there will be some side pressure on the column and that will be applied =
to the upper end of the column through the large felt bushing.


Richard Mayor
Portland, Oregon
boyracer466@gmail.com





> On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Perry Small via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> I have not dismantled tube from box previously but have put one back =
together for an owner.=20
> Cleaned the mating surfaces gently with a wire brush and heated with =
propane torch until the tube would slide back into the box.
> Warmed again and tried to add solder to insure a seal at the joint.=20
> Seemed to work ok. Suspect dismantling would work the same.=20
> P
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Answered my own question ... yes ... easy as =F0=9F=98=8A
>>=20
>> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:27 p.m. Michael Salter, =
>> Next question  ... this applies to the later BN2 steering box.
>> The steering box tube appears to be soldered onto the cast steel =
steering box itself.
>> I need to remove the tube to straighten it. Is this just a case of =
heating gently and pulling the tube out?
>> Thanks.
>>=20
>> M
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:19 p.m. Michael Salter, =
>> Well, while we are on the subject of steering boxes
>> 1. I have 2 steering shafts but the worms have different part =
numbers. =20
>> One, dated 4 56 has the number 16390N=20
>> The other dated 4 58 has the number 16390 ( no N)  and that one has =
serrations on the upper circumference. (See pic)
>> Otherwise these appear to be identical  ... does anyone know what the =
difference is?
>>=20
>> M
>>=20
>> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 2:51 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, =
>> That is good work, Ray! Bet the steering feel is perfect. Wish you =
could do my sloppy steering.  Hank
>>=20
>> -----------------------------------------
>>=20
>> From: "Ray Juncal via Healeys"=20
>> To: "List Healey"
>> Cc:=20
>> Sent: Tuesday February 15 2022 11:33:43AM
>> Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
>>=20
>>    Here's some additional photos that wouldn't fit in the first post. =
Also interesting info courtesy of Steve Pike about set up. There is a =
slot in the end of the shaft and on the Pitman arm. Align these slots so =
that the arm and the "peg" ( the follower that rides in the worm gear =
above ) are in the correct relationship.
>>    The high spot on the worm gear may not be exactly on center lock =
to lock. You may want to find that spot and mark it on the arm or shaft =
with a corresponding mark on the case as a starting point to align the =
wheels. Steve I hope I explained that right. If not please clarify.
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Reassembly of tube: &nbsp;After cleaning both surfaces I =
apply some rosin flux to both surfaces and reinsert the tube. I then use =
an oxy torch to heat the box and tube and apply rosin core solder to the =
joint. &nbsp;It doesn=E2=80=99t take very much solder. &nbsp;&nbsp;<div =
class=3D"">When you think about it, after it cools there is little or no =
stress on the joint. The box is bolted to the chassis with 3 big bolts. =
&nbsp;The column is clamped to the brace on the bulkhead and there is =
(or should be) a brace on the side from the column clamp to the A pillar =
area. Turning the steering wheel does not put any stress on the column. =
Having said that, if the column is bent, or if the steering shaft is =
bent, there will be some side pressure on the column and that will be =
applied to the upper end of the column through the large felt =
bushing.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div apple-content-edited=3D"true" class=3D"">
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Richard Mayor</div><div class=3D"">Portland, =
Oregon</div><div class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:boyracer466@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">boyracer466@gmail.com</a></div><div class=3D""><br =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Perry Small via Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">I have not dismantled tube from box previously =
but have put one back together for an owner.&nbsp;</span><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">Cleaned the mating =
surfaces gently with a wire brush and heated with propane torch until =
the tube would slide back into the box.</div><div style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">Warmed again and tried to =
add solder to insure a seal at the joint.&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">Seemed to work ok. =
Suspect dismantling would work the same.&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">P<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">On Feb 15, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Answered my =
own question ... yes ... easy as =F0=9F=98=8A</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue., =
Feb. 15, 2022, 4:27 p.m. Michael Salter, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, =
204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Next question&nbsp; ... this applies to the later BN2 =
steering box.<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">The steering box tube appears =
to be soldered onto the cast steel steering box itself.</div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">I need to remove the tube to straighten it. Is =
this just a case of heating gently and pulling the tube out?</div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Thanks.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">M</div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:19 p.m. =
Michael Salter, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
class=3D"">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, =
204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Well, while we are on the subject of steering boxes<div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">1. I have 2 steering shafts but the worms have =
different part numbers.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">One,=
 dated 4 56 has the number 16390N&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">The other dated 4 58 has the number 16390 ( no N)&nbsp; and =
that one has serrations on the upper circumference. (See pic)</div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Otherwise these appear to be identical&nbsp; ... =
does anyone know what the difference is?</div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">M</div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 2:51 p.m. Henry =
G Leach via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, =
204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"">That =
is good work, Ray! Bet the steering feel is perfect. Wish you could do =
my sloppy steering.&nbsp; Hank<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""></div><p =
class=3D"">-----------------------------------------</p>From: "Ray =
Juncal via Healeys"<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><u =
class=3D""></u><br class=3D"">To: "List Healey"<br class=3D"">Cc:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">Sent: =
Tuesday February 15 2022 11:33:43AM<br class=3D"">Subject: [Healeys] =
Steering box rebuild part two<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Here's some additional photos that wouldn't fit in the first post. Also =
interesting info courtesy of Steve Pike about set up. There is a slot in =
the end of the shaft and on the Pitman arm. Align these slots so that =
the arm and the "peg" ( the follower that rides in the worm gear above ) =
are in the correct relationship.<br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; The high spot on the worm gear may not be =
exactly on center lock to lock. You may want to find that spot and mark =
it on the arm or shaft with a corresponding mark on the case as a =
starting point to align the wheels. Steve I hope I explained that right. =
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