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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch
From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 17:07:10 -0700
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Thanks, Steve.

Thanks to that release bearing design I got into the habit of shifting 
into neutral at stoplights (instead of just holding the clutch pedal 
down). I think it's a good habit overall--issues getting back into first 
notwithstanding--as I've had my foot slip off the pedal on occasion.


On 9/1/2021 12:01 PM, BJ8Healeys via Healeys wrote:
>
> In January 2014, I removed the gearbox and overdrive from my BJ8 to 
> fix a problem with the O/D slipping (low oil pressure) and a bad 
> clutch judder in reverse that I had put up with for too long.
>
> I replaced the clutch release bearing for convenience and because I 
> already had the new one in hand.  The new bearing carbon block from 
> Moss Motors measured 10/32? thick. The old one (also Moss Motors, 
> installed September 1997) measured 9/32?. That was only 1/32? wear in 
> 80,534 miles, but mostly long-distance ones. A photo of the old clutch 
> disc is attached.
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC USA
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *Bob Spidell
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 1, 2021 11:55 AM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Clutch
>
> As for clutch longevity, there are several significant variables: 
> (your) location, type of driving, driving style, etc. For example, if 
> you DD your car in San Francisco, I wouldn't expect a clutch to last 
> 50K miles, if that long. If you mostly drive highway miles, I think 
> 100K is easily doable; I traded my '08 Mustang in at 124K miles with 
> original clutch /and/ brakes. Although I've been driving manual cars 
> for over 50  years, I still don't feel I've 'mastered' them (like 
> landings in an aircraft). Dump the clutch too quickly and you'll 
> increase longevity--if you don't break anything--at the expense of 
> smoothness, be very delicate and slip it too much and you won't get 
> 'normal' longevity. Actually, IMO Healeys are relatively easier to 
> drive well, a properly set-up clutch with a Healey's torque makes 
> smooth starts easier; my '19 Mustang is high-strung by comparison and 
> I still manage to stall it occasionally.
>
> The release bearing can be problematic as, unlike a true bearing it's 
> a known wear item. I heard a while back there were some low quality 
> parts going around that failed within a few thousand miles. I'd say if 
> it's more than one-third worn--anyone know the original thickness of 
> the graphite?--I'd replace it (again, depending on driving 
> circumstances).
> Bob
>
>
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    Thanks, Steve. <br>
    <br>
    Thanks to that release bearing design I got into the habit of
    shifting into neutral at stoplights (instead of just holding the
    clutch pedal down). I think it's a good habit overall--issues
    getting back into first notwithstanding--as I've had my foot slip
    off the pedal on occasion.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/1/2021 12:01 PM, BJ8Healeys via
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In January
            2014, I removed the
            gearbox and overdrive from my BJ8 to fix a problem with the
            O/D slipping (low
            oil pressure) and a bad clutch judder in reverse that I had
            put up with for too
            long.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I replaced the
            clutch release
            bearing for convenience and because I already had the new
            one in hand.  The
            new bearing carbon block from Moss Motors measured 10/32?
            thick. 
            The old one (also Moss Motors, installed September 1997)
            measured 9/32?.  
            That was only 1/32? wear in 80,534 miles, but mostly
            long-distance ones. 
            A photo of the old clutch disc is attached.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Steve 
Byers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
style="color:#1F497D">HBJ8L/36666<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">BJ8 
Registry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">AHCA Delegate
            at Large<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Havelock, NC 
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                Healeys
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
 <b>On Behalf Of
                </b>Bob Spidell<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 1, 2021 11:55 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Clutch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">As for clutch
          longevity, there
          are several significant variables: (your) location, type of
          driving, driving
          style, etc. For example, if you DD your car in San Francisco,
          I wouldn't expect
          a clutch to last 50K miles, if that long. If you mostly drive
          highway miles, I
          think 100K is easily doable; I traded my '08 Mustang in at
          124K miles with
          original clutch <i>and</i> brakes. Although I've been driving
          manual cars for
          over 50  years, I still don't feel I've 'mastered' them (like
          landings in
          an aircraft). Dump the clutch too quickly and you'll increase
          longevity--if you
          don't break anything--at the expense of smoothness, be very
          delicate and slip
          it too much and you won't get 'normal' longevity. Actually,
          IMO Healeys are
          relatively easier to drive well, a properly set-up clutch with
          a Healey's
          torque makes smooth starts easier; my '19 Mustang is
          high-strung by comparison
          and I still manage to stall it occasionally.<br>
          <br>
          The release bearing can be problematic as, unlike a true
          bearing it's a known
          wear item. I heard a while back there were some low quality
          parts going around
          that failed within a few thousand miles. I'd say if it's more
          than one-third worn--anyone
          know the original thickness of the graphite?--I'd replace it
          (again, depending
          on driving circumstances). <br>
          Bob<o:p></o:p></p>
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