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Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pump queries

To: "'Michael Salter'" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pump queries
From: Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 18:32:09 +0000 TRK7GAXrYTmCdvL31hWBkj5MHGFvucBwd+IeiViWhkD1esmO5FC7p0sRyC5Jj4hi5IL9Fs2K9XzvnwEyFXVzF5QArMtQBBnZSIUHrprJtemNmW/HYPSjsa/X 4akOsxxL0NZoKM0Gx10mgMeFzouCzrHGeMe4ODkbBdo=
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Simon- two things...did some of that "Plastic Metal" (JB Weld) that=0Ayo=
u found, get into the plunger/pump body and "weld" it together? It=0A(pl=
unger) must move up and down with the action of the cam on the=0Amainsha=
ft to "pump" oil. (the wheel on the end should also be free to=0Arotate)=
=0ASecondly, the new 1/4" ball you fitted to the pump body opening-did=
=0Ayou smack it to seat with the body hole??...this is very important as=
=0Aif it does not seal perfectly, you will get "0" pressure. =0AYes, you=
 can engage/disengage the OD with the lever, sans the=0Asolenoid. Hank=
=0A=0A=09-----------------------------------------From: "Michael Salter"=
 =0ATo: "Simon Lachlan"=0ACc: "Healeys"=0ASent: Sunday August 29 2021 5:=
58:01AM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pump queries=0A=0A To your qu=
estion in 3. No when you put a rod up through the hole in=0Athe center o=
f the pump body lower flange you will be pressing on the=0Aend of the pi=
ston which will move up and down as the overdrive is=0Arotated. The spri=
ng merely holds the piston roller against the cam=0Auntil pressure is es=
tablished.  If the piston does not move up and=0Adown with no influence=
 from that "rod" it is jamming in the body and=0Athis must be corrected.=
 =0A M  =0A On Sun., Aug. 29, 2021, 8:46 a.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys,=
  wrote:=0A=0A=09Hi, =0A=0A=09My overdrive is still driving me mad=E2=80=
=A6=E2=80=A6 =0A=0A=09So, I=E2=80=99ve got it reassembled and have added=
 the oil. About 3.5=0Alitres was all it required so there must have been=
 a fair bit still=0Ainside. =0A=0A=09* The solenoid is still in its box.=
 Am I right in assuming(!)that one=0Acan switch the OD on manually with=
 the lever on the RHS??=0A=0A=09* I ran the engine in 3rd for about 2 mi=
nutes whilst bringing that=0Alever up, down, wherever. No pressure. How=
 long does it take for the=0AOD to produce pressure after the hydraulics=
 have been reassembled?=0A=0A=09* With the pump in place and its two ret=
aining screws tightened up,=0Ashould one be able to move the pump=E2=80=
=99s piston up and down against the=0Aspring with a rod pushed up throug=
h that bottom bolt? (The bolt into=0Awhich the filter=E2=80=99s bolt scr=
ews). Mine wouldn=E2=80=99t move at all. But=0Awouldn=E2=80=99t that dep=
end on the position of the cam??=0A=0A=09* One observation: The piston i=
n the AH Spares accumulator wouldn=E2=80=99t=0Amove in/out with pressure=
 from my thumb. The supplier, OD Spares, said=0Athat it takes a lot of p=
ressure and oil to get that piston moving. Any=0Athoughts on that??=0A=
=0A=09I suspect that I=E2=80=99ve not managed to line the top of the pis=
ton up=0Aproperly. Zero pressure. =0A=0A=09I had pressure before this sa=
ga all started but it dropped=0Adrastically once the engine/gearbox warm=
ed up. Hence the new AH Spares=0Aaccumulator with bigger bore and new ba=
ll bearings and little springs=0Aetcetc. =0A=0A=09I don=E2=80=99t believ=
e that I=E2=80=99ve got anything (else!) wrong so I=E2=80=99m=0Awonderin=
g about the pump=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.. =0A=0A=09Simon =0A=0A=09    _______=
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<html><body>Simon- two things...did some of that "Plastic Metal" (JB Wel=
d) that you found, get into the plunger/pump body and "weld" it together=
?&nbsp; It (plunger) must move up and down with the action of the cam on=
 the mainshaft to "pump" oil. (the wheel on the end should also be free=
 to rotate)<div><br></div><div>Secondly, the new 1/4" ball you fitted to=
 the pump body opening-did you smack it to seat with the body hole??...t=
his is very important as if it does not seal perfectly, you will get "0"=
 pressure.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, you can engage/disengage=
 the OD with the lever, sans the solenoid. Hank<br><br><div class=3D"rep=
ly-new-signature"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>=
From: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com><br>To: "Simon Lachlan"<=
br>Cc: "Healeys"<br>Sent: Sunday August 29 2021 5:58:01AM<br>Subject: Re=
: [Healeys] Overdrive pump queries<br><br>=0A<div>To your question in 3.=
=0A<div>No when you put a rod up through the hole in the=0Acenter of the=
 pump body lower flange you will be pressing on the=0Aend of the piston=
 which will move up and down as the overdrive is=0Arotated.</div>=0A<div=
>The spring merely holds the piston roller against=0Athe cam until press=
ure is established.&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>If the piston does not move up an=
d down with no=0Ainfluence from that "rod" it is jamming in the body and=
 this must=0Abe corrected.</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>M</div>=0A</di=
v>=0A<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Sun., Aug. 29, 2021, 8:46 a.m.=0ASimon Lachlan via Healeys, &lt;=
<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;=0Awrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex;">=0A<div lang=3D"en-gb">=0A<div class=3D"m_115629130229=
4497715WordSection1">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,</p>=0A<p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">My overdrive is still driving me mad=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6</p>=0A<p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So, I=E2=80=99v=
e got it reassembled and have added the=0Aoil. About 3.5 litres was all=
 it required so there must have been a=0Afair bit still inside.</p>=0A<o=
l style=3D"margin-top:0cm;" start=3D"1" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"m_115629=
1302294497715MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;">The solenoid i=
s still in its box. Am I right in=0Aassuming(!)that one can switch the O=
D on manually with the lever on=0Athe RHS??</li>=0A</ol><p class=3D"m_11=
56291302294497715MsoListParagraph">&nbsp;</p>=0A<ol style=3D"margin-top:=
0cm;" start=3D"2" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"m_1156291302294497715MsoListPa=
ragraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;">I ran the engine in 3<sup>rd</sup> f=
or about 2=0Aminutes whilst bringing that lever up, down, wherever. No p=
ressure.=0AHow long does it take for the OD to produce pressure after th=
e=0Ahydraulics have been reassembled?</li>=0A</ol><p class=3D"m_11562913=
02294497715MsoListParagraph">&nbsp;</p>=0A<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm;"=
 start=3D"3" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"m_1156291302294497715MsoListParagra=
ph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;">With the pump in place and its two retain=
ing=0Ascrews tightened up, should one be able to move the pump=E2=80=99s=
 piston=0Aup and down against the spring with a rod pushed up through th=
at=0Abottom bolt? (The bolt into which the filter=E2=80=99s bolt screws)=
. Mine=0Awouldn=E2=80=99t move at all. But wouldn=E2=80=99t that depend=
 on the position of=0Athe cam??</li>=0A</ol><p class=3D"m_11562913022944=
97715MsoListParagraph">&nbsp;</p>=0A<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm;" start=
=3D"4" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"m_1156291302294497715MsoListParagraph" st=
yle=3D"margin-left:0cm;">One observation: The piston in the AH Spares=0A=
accumulator wouldn=E2=80=99t move in/out with pressure from my thumb. Th=
e=0Asupplier, OD Spares, said that it takes a lot of pressure and oil=0A=
to get that piston moving. Any thoughts on that??</li>=0A</ol><p class=
=3D"m_1156291302294497715MsoListParagraph">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I suspect that I=E2=80=99ve n=
ot managed to line the=0Atop of the piston up properly. Zero pressure.</=
p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had pressure before this saga all started=
=0Abut it dropped drastically once the engine/gearbox warmed up. Hence=
=0Athe new AH Spares accumulator with bigger bore and new ball=0Abearing=
s and little springs etcetc.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99=
t believe that I=E2=80=99ve got anything (else!)=0Awrong so I=E2=80=99m=
 wondering about the pump=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal=
">&nbsp;</p>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A_______________________________________=
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