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To: "'simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com'" <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure
From: Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2021 17:21:38 +0000 yIp5xYa7mvmNIiKRXRIxuzjkMHLKkYNhFvrVW/nBQKQc1vwpJYqXtyxqgHTdgVF1YINFwIBqydziJmYZj642KZoJgNT1olIXUIdgXgH6Zc+N3X5zs4VusgY6
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Simon-glad you found the problem. That little valve is the whole=0Acontr=
ol of the pressure and release and dirt is the main offender. =0AWhat I=
 see on my gauge is pressure over 400-450, then when OD is off.=0Aa stea=
dy bleed down to 300, 200, 100 then in a couple of minutes, or=0Asometim=
es a bit longer, goes to 0. Its a "slow bleed". Fades as the=0Aoil flows=
 down thru the valve and that tiny hole. Enlarging it will=0Amake the bl=
eed faster and the plugging up with debris harder to=0Aachieve. They rec=
ommend a 1MM hole if I remember the readings=0Acorrectly, but its a smal=
l drilling to allow oil to pass smoothly to=0Athe sump. This is why you=
 don't want 90W gear oil-its to "thick" to=0Awork with the unit, and it=
 also foams up in the annulus. Good 30W (or=0A20-50) NON detergent oil i=
s best to keep this process working.=0A(detergents also foam)=0APossibly=
 a little oxidation or crud gets between the ball and the=0Aseat, and it=
 then needs a smack to reseat the fit. Small thing matter=0Ain this scen=
ario. We all need a smack, now and then, to get with the=0Aprogram. Rega=
rds, Hank=0A=0A=09-----------------------------------------From: "Simon=
 Lachlan via=0AHealeys" =0ATo: "Healeys"=0ACc: =0ASent: Monday August 2=
 2021 1:24:09PM=0ASubject: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure=0A=0A=09David, H=
ank=E2=80=A6..thank you for help and advice. Hank you were just=0Aabout=
 on the money. =0A=0A=09You=E2=80=99ll recall that my OD was slipping in=
 & out at low revs? Of=0Acourse you do. =0A=0A=09I bought a gauge from O=
DSpares, excellent people/very helpful. (In=0Aretrospect, I wonder how I=
=E2=80=99ve managed for so long without one). =0A=0A=09Pressure showed a=
s well into the 470 to 490 range whilst OD was=0Aengaged at +/- 1,500 rp=
m in 4th. Which is GOOD. =0A=0A=09But, pressure dropped to zero immediat=
ely upon disengaging and=0Aswitching off. Which is BAD. =0A=0A=09The lit=
tle hole in the so-called =E2=80=9CValve operating=E2=80=9D was/is clear=
. =0A=0A=09I phoned Dave Twigger at ODSpares who said that there was deb=
ris=0Aunder the ball on the seat there OR, if it was clear, then the bal=
l=0Aneeded reseating. =0A=0A=09So, I gave the ball a few brisk taps and=
 the pressure drop did slow a=0Alittle up on the next gauge test. =0A=0A=
=09I gave it some more taps and it improved somewhat again. Now takes=0A=
about 30 seconds to get down to, say, 20psi and then loses pressure=0Aqu=
ite slowly. =0A=0A=09So:- =0A=0A=09* How hard can one =E2=80=9CTap=E2=80=
=9D the ball? Not the easiest question to=0Aanswer, I do appreciate that=
. One man=E2=80=99s tap is another man=E2=80=99s=0Awallop?=0A=0A=09I sus=
pect I=E2=80=99ll have to repeat the process=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =0A=0A=09=
* What time duration is acceptable in operating terms for the=0Apressure=
 drop? What am I aiming at?=0A=0A=09Thanks, Simon

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<html><body>Simon-glad you found the problem. That little valve is the w=
hole control of the pressure and release and dirt is the main offender.&=
nbsp;&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>What I see on my gauge is pressure over 4=
00-450, then when OD&nbsp; is off. a steady bleed down to 300, 200, 100=
 then in a couple of minutes, or sometimes a bit longer, goes to 0. Its=
 a "slow bleed". Fades as the oil flows down thru the valve and that tin=
y hole. Enlarging it will make the bleed faster and the plugging up&nbsp=
; with debris harder to achieve. They recommend a 1MM hole if I remember=
 the readings correctly, but its a small drilling to allow oil to pass s=
moothly to the sump.&nbsp; This is why you don't want 90W gear oil-its t=
o "thick" to work with the unit, and it also foams up in the annulus. Go=
od 30W (or 20-50) NON detergent oil is best to keep this process working=
. (detergents also foam)</div><div><br></div><div>Possibly a little oxid=
ation or crud gets between the ball and the seat, and it then needs a sm=
ack to reseat the fit. Small thing matter in this scenario. We all need=
 a smack, now and then, to get with the program. Regards, Hank<br><br><d=
iv class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>------------------------------=
-----------</p>From: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net=
><br>To: "Healeys"<br>Cc: <br>Sent: Monday August 2 2021 1:24:09PM<br>Su=
bject: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure<br><br>=0A<div class=3D"WordSection1=
">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">David, Hank=E2=80=A6..thank you for help and=
 advice.=0AHank you were just about on the money.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You=E2=80=99ll recall that my=
 OD was slipping in &amp; out=0Aat low revs? Of course you do.</p>=0A<p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">I bought a gauge from ODSpares, excellent=0Apeople/=
very helpful. (In retrospect, I wonder how I=E2=80=99ve managed for=0Aso=
 long without one).</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pressure showed as well=
 into the 470 to 490=0Arange whilst OD was engaged at +/- 1,500 rpm in 4=
<sup>th</sup>.=0AWhich is GOOD.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But, pressu=
re dropped to zero immediately upon=0Adisengaging and switching off. Whi=
ch is BAD.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The little hole in the so-called=
 =E2=80=9CValve=0Aoperating=E2=80=9D was/is clear.</p>=0A<p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">I phoned Dave Twigger at ODSpares who said=0Athat there was debr=
is under the ball on the seat there OR, if it=0Awas clear, then the ball=
 needed reseating.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So, I gave the ball a fe=
w brisk taps and the=0Apressure drop did slow a little up on the next ga=
uge test.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I gave it some more taps and it i=
mproved=0Asomewhat again. Now takes about 30 seconds to get down to, say=
,=0A20psi and then loses pressure quite slowly.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So:-</p>=0A<ol style=3D"margin-=
top:0cm;" start=3D"1" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D=
"margin-left:0cm;">How hard can one =E2=80=9CTap=E2=80=9D=0Athe ball? No=
t the easiest question to answer, I do appreciate that.=0AOne man=E2=80=
=99s tap is another man=E2=80=99s wallop?</li>=0A</ol><p class=3D"MsoLis=
tParagraph">I suspect I=E2=80=99ll have to repeat the=0Aprocess=E2=80=A6=
=E2=80=A6</p>=0A<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm;" start=3D"2" type=3D"1"><li=
 class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;">What time duratio=
n is=0Aacceptable in operating terms for the pressure drop? What am I=0A=
aiming at?</li>=0A</ol><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:18pt;=
">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:18pt;">Thanks=
, Simon</p>=0A</div>=0A</healeys@autox.team.net></div></body></html>

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