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I have rebuilt and trued a number of wire wheels over the past thirty years=
, starting with replacing spokes on my Made in India Dunlop chrome 60 spok=
e set.
I broke so many spokes on those wheels that I ended up purchasing spokes an=
d nipples in bulk direct from Dayton.
The information I was given by them was that truing wheels to plus or minus=
0.030" was the best they could expect when building new wheels!
Laurie Wilford
Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------
From: Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: 2021-05-03 1:40 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Harold Manifold' <manifold@telus.net>
Cc: "'healeys@autox.team.net'" <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Spokes and Truing Wheels
Hi Harold- yes, I also used a dial gauge and that, unfortunately, is too fi=
ne an instrument for the crude wheels that we have. It will drive you crazy=
to try to "0" out the wheel. Looks like you got close and could not effect=
a change. Me too. That is probably as good as it will get. I think the e=
ye is a better judge of the "quality" of the wheel-if you see runout try to=
move it to be less. Of the five wheels I did I rated them as the best-wors=
e and used #5 for the spare, putting the best on the fronts. They are very =
close to "good" as round goes. A wonderful theory that in practical use has=
some forgiveness.
You could send them assembled, off to Hendricks Wheel service and they may =
be able to do a tighter finish. Folks swear that their trued, shaved, rebu=
ilt wheels from them are the cats meow.
A couple of things I did in assembly: I used anti seize compound on all the=
spoke threads-just enough to make so you could possibly undo them later. T=
hen at the other end, I used marine sealant on the hub nubs to seal in grea=
se and seal out water. May work for awhile. I also ran a 2" duct tape seal=
over the nibs in the rim, in addition to the rubber rim seal (which does n=
ot cover them well.)
The only secret sequence I found was when you tightened one nib, you needed=
to go to the exact opposite nib to compensate for the "pull" on the shape =
of the wheel. Remarkable how much they will distort. Fun experience to do O=
NCE. Best of luck, Hank
-----------------------------------------
From: "Harold Manifold"
To: "gradea1@charter.net"
Cc:
Sent: Monday May 3 2021 8:44:09AM
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Spokes and Truing Wheels
Hank,
Thanks for the reply. Did you find any secret sequence for loosening and ti=
ghtening the spokes. I have a dial gauge and can find the high spots and lo=
w spots but I seem to be able to just move them around.
I agree this will tedious no matter what.
Harold
From: gradea1@charter.net
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 6:21 PM
To: Harold Manifold
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Spokes and Truing Wheels
Harold- I made up this table with an axle hub mounted vertically and a fixe=
d post each side using two coffee stir sticks as markers or guides. After =
lacing the wheel, rotate to first get rid of up/down wobble and then tight=
en to keep wheel round-equally from each post. (photos)
You are correct the spokes and nibs are 10-32, but the thread angle is Whit=
worth (55 degrees-I believe) Use a British tap to clean up threads. Don't u=
se SAE.
Its a tedious task but I did all 5 wheels for my 100, and they run perfect.=
Check a bicycle/motorcycle shop for procedure. Have fun, Hank
-----------------------------------------
From: "Harold Manifold via Healeys"
To: "healeys@autox.team.net"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday May 2 2021 4:35:21PM
Subject: [Healeys] Spokes and Truing Wheels
Hello,
What is the thread size for the spokes and nipples It looks like 10-32 but =
a threading die doesn=92t seem to fit. Also, does anyone have a good proced=
ure for truing wheels? I was told Out of Round first then Wobble. I did the=
Out of Round on one wheel and could get to 0.050=94 but no better.
Harold
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<div dir=3D"auto">I have rebuilt and trued a number of wire wheels over the=
past thirty years, starting with replacing spokes on my Made in Indi=
a Dunlop chrome 60 spoke set. </div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I broke so many spokes on those wheels that I ended up pu=
rchasing spokes and nipples in bulk direct from Dayton.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">The information I was given by them was that truing wheel=
s to plus or minus 0.030" was the best they could expect when building=
new wheels!</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Laurie Wilford </div>
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y</div>
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<div>From: Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> </div>
<div>Date: 2021-05-03 1:40 p.m. (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: 'Harold Manifold' <manifold@telus.net> </div>
<div>Cc: "'healeys@autox.team.net'" <healeys@autox.team.net>=
; </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Spokes and Truing Wheels </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi Harold- yes, I also used a dial gauge and that, unfortunately, is t=
oo fine an instrument for the crude wheels that we have. It will drive you =
crazy to try to "0" out the wheel. Looks like you got close and c=
ould not effect a change. Me too. That is
probably as good as it will get. I think the eye is a better judge o=
f the "quality" of the wheel-if you see runout try to move it to =
be less. Of the five wheels I did I rated them as the best-worse and used #=
5 for the spare, putting the best on the fronts.
They are very close to "good" as round goes. A wonderful theory =
that in practical use has some forgiveness.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You could send them assembled, off to Hendricks Wheel service and they=
may be able to do a tighter finish. Folks swear that their trued, sh=
aved, rebuilt wheels from them are the cats meow.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A couple of things I did in assembly: I used anti seize compound on al=
l the spoke threads-just enough to make so you could possibly undo them lat=
er. Then at the other end, I used marine sealant on the hub nubs to seal in=
grease and seal out water. May
work for awhile. I also ran a 2" duct tape seal over the nibs in the =
rim, in addition to the rubber rim seal (which does not cover them well.)</=
div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The only secret sequence I found was when you tightened one nib, you n=
eeded to go to the exact opposite nib to compensate for the "pull"=
; on the shape of the wheel. Remarkable how much they will distort. Fun exp=
erience to do ONCE. Best of luck, Hank<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div>
<p>-----------------------------------------</p>
From: "Harold Manifold" <br>
To: "gradea1@charter.net"<br>
Cc: <br>
Sent: Monday May 3 2021 8:44:09AM<br>
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Spokes and Truing Wheels<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hank,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for the reply. Did you find any secret sequen=
ce for loosening and tightening the spokes. I have a dial gauge and can fin=
d the high spots and low spots but I seem to be able to just move them arou=
nd.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I agree this will tedious no matter what.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Harold</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
<div style=3D"border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1pt; padding:3pt 0in 0i=
n 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none; padding:0in"><b>From:</b> <a>g=
radea1@charter.net</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 2, 2021 6:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a>Harold Manifold</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Healeys] Spokes and Truing Wheels</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Harold- I made up this table with an axle hub mounte=
d vertically and a fixed post each side using two coffee stir sticks as mar=
kers or guides. After lacing the wheel, rotate to first get rid=
of up/down wobble and then tighten to keep
wheel round-equally from each post. (photos)</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You are correct the spokes and nibs are 10-32, but t=
he thread angle is Whitworth (55 degrees-I believe) Use a British tap to cl=
ean up threads. Don't use SAE.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Its a tedious task but =
I did all 5 wheels for my 100, and they run perfect. Check a bicycle/motorc=
ycle shop for procedure. Have fun, Hank</p>
<p>-----------------------------------------</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">From: "Harold Mani=
fold via Healeys"<br>
To: "healeys@autox.team.net"<br>
Cc:<br>
Sent: Sunday May 2 2021 4:35:21PM<br>
Subject: [Healeys] Spokes and Truing Wheels</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What is the thread size for the spokes and nipples I=
t looks like 10-32 but a threading die doesn=92t seem to fit. Also, does an=
yone have a good procedure for truing wheels? I was told Out of Round first=
then Wobble. I did the Out of Round
on one wheel and could get to 0.050=94 but no better.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Harold</p>
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