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My starter was very sluggish but would grudgingly start my car. As part =
of a carburator rebuild project I noticed that they got hot and were =
tingly to the touch. I thought that there was a short somewhere. At the =
same time I decided to also check the starter and I noticed that the DPO =
had left the ground strap off. Problem solved. Started tike a champ from =
then on and no more tingles at the carbs.
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John Sims
<http://www.healey6.com/> www.healey6.com
Matawan, NJ
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Replacing the starter with a gear reduction =
starter
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Bob
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The earthing of the starter to the engine is as you say but the worst =
case I have heard of was bad starting and final a burnt out the speedo =
cable. The strap from the engine plate to the chassis had become very =
frayed and burnt looking. How I don't know but when checked it was not =
tightly bolted to the chassis. There must have been localised heat at =
this connection that heated up the strap until it became open circuit. =
Once it became open circuit there still had to be a way to earth and =
this just happened to be up the speedo cable but could have been =
anywhere where there was an electrical connection from the engine to the =
chassis.
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 16:27, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net =
My BN2 became hard to start a while ago. I installed new batteries and =
had the starter rebuilt, and I painted it. When I'd initially installed =
the starter I'd used grade 8 bolts, grade 8 nuts and grade 8 split =
washers and flat washers under the nuts. I took the starter to a local =
shop, who said the starter checked-out fine. When I re-installed it I =
omitted the flat-washers, and the starter worked! Apparently, there was =
enough paint on the starter and the engine paint to prevent good =
conduction; the split washers cut through the paint enough to allow =
conductivity. I don't know if grade 8 hardware is less conductive than =
grade 5, but since the starter is grounded through the engine plate you =
need a good connection there (IOW, scrape the paint off).
On 12/10/2020 8:36 PM, banjojohn via Healeys wrote:
I expect you've already checked other possible reasons for hard starting =
issues, but I had a problem a few years ago that turned out to be a poor =
connection at a battery terminal resulting in high resistance. Just a =
thought before you start replacing things is to check connections and =
grounds.
John O'Brien
'61 bugeye (Lucy)
'65 BJ8 (Madelyn)
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Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S10e.
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-------- Original message --------
From: Michael Oritt via Healeys =
m.net>=20
Date: 12/10/20 9:00 PM (GMT-06:00)=20
<healeys@autox.team.net>=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Replacing the starter with a gear reduction =
starter=20
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Bob--
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As said you can install the starter from under the car. Though the =
adapter plates and motor units are indexable to fit most all =
applications usually there is only one position that will fit on each =
car so you will probably have to play with things a bit before you find =
the correct set-up.
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Best--Michael Oritt
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 2:56 PM Bob Begani <rfbegani@gmail.com =
You may remember I mentioned my BJ8 would not start after a run because =
of overheating. the engine did turn over with a wrench, and 50 amp on =
the starter made it only moan. So I will replace the starter. Many of =
you have recommended a gear reduction starter which is available from =
Moss and others. What source do you recomend.? Also, I see it shows an =
additional bulge which must be the gears. Will it fit into my BJ8 =
engine compartment without having to remove the engine? As it is I will =
have to take out the tunnel to get to the starter bolts.=20
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Another item I should have replaced when I rebuilt the engine was the =
oil pump. When the engine is hot the oil pressure drops to less that 20 =
psi at idle. This engine was rebuilt with only 20 over and is using the =
same cam etc. what oil pump should i install and is the Moss pump a =
reasonable replacement?
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Regards,
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black",sans-serif'>My starter was very sluggish but would grudgingly =
start my car. As part of a carburator rebuild project I noticed that =
they got hot and were tingly to the touch. I thought that there was =
a short somewhere. At the same time I decided to also check the =
starter and I noticed that the DPO had left the ground strap off. =
Problem solved. Started tike a champ from then on and no more tingles at =
the carbs.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black",sans-serif'>John Sims<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black",sans-serif'><a href=3D"http://www.healey6.com/";><span =
style=3D'color:#0563C1'>www.healey6.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></b><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif'>Matawan, =
NJ<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>healeys-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>john harper<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, =
December 12, 2020 10:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> Bob Spidell <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspidell@comcast.net</a>>; =
Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Replacing the starter with a gear =
reduction starter<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The earthing of the starter to the engine is as you =
say but the worst case I have heard of was bad starting and final a =
burnt out the speedo cable. The strap from the engine plate to the =
chassis had become very frayed and burnt looking. How I don't know but =
when checked it was not tightly bolted to the chassis. There must have =
been localised heat at this connection that heated up the strap until it =
became open circuit. Once it became open circuit there still had to be a =
way to earth and this just happened to be up the speedo cable but could =
have been anywhere where there was an electrical connection from =
the engine to the chassis.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 16:27, Bob Spidell <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspidell@comcast.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>My BN2 =
became hard to start a while ago. I installed new batteries and had the =
starter rebuilt, and I painted it. When I'd initially installed the =
starter I'd used grade 8 bolts, grade 8 nuts and grade 8 split washers =
and flat washers under the nuts. I took the starter to a local shop, who =
said the starter checked-out fine. When I re-installed it I omitted the =
flat-washers, and the starter worked! Apparently, there was enough paint =
on the starter and the engine paint to prevent good conduction; the =
split washers cut through the paint enough to allow conductivity. I =
don't know if grade 8 hardware is less conductive than grade 5, but =
since the starter is grounded through the engine plate you need a good =
connection there (IOW, scrape the paint off).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 12/10/2020 8:36 PM, banjojohn via Healeys =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I expect you've already checked other possible reasons =
for hard starting issues, but I had a problem a few years ago that =
turned out to be a poor connection at a battery terminal resulting in =
high resistance. Just a thought before you start replacing things =
is to check connections and grounds.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>John O'Brien<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'61 bugeye (Lucy)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'65 BJ8 (Madelyn)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-6355114445525957383composer_signature"><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;color:#575757'>Sent =
from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy =
S10e.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>-------- Original message =
--------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>From: Michael Oritt via Healeys <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.teaadycheckedm.net"; =
target=3D"_blank"><healeys@autox.teaady checked m.net></a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Date: 12/10/20 9:00 PM (GMT-06:00) =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>To: Bob Begani <a =
href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank"><rfbegani@gmail.com></a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Cc: Ahealey help <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank"><healeys@autox.team.net></a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Replacing the starter with =
a gear reduction starter <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Bob--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>As said you can install =
the starter from under the car. Though the adapter plates and =
motor units are indexable to fit most all applications usually there is =
only one position that will fit on each car so you will =
probably have to play with things a bit before you find the =
correct set-up.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Best--Michael Oritt<o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 2:56 PM Bob Begani <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">rfbegani@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>You may remember I mentioned my BJ8 =
would not start after a run because of overheating. the engine did =
turn over with a wrench, and 50 amp on the starter made it only =
moan. So I will replace the starter. Many of you have =
recommended a gear reduction starter which is available from =
Moss and others. What source do you recomend.? Also, I see =
it shows an additional bulge which must be the gears. Will it fit =
into my BJ8 engine compartment without having to remove the =
engine? As it is I will have to take out the tunnel to get to the =
starter bolts. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Another item I should have replaced when I rebuilt the =
engine was the oil pump. When the engine is hot the oil pressure =
drops to less that 20 psi at idle. This engine was rebuilt with =
only 20 over and is using the same cam etc. what oil pump =
should i install and is the Moss pump a reasonable =
replacement?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></blockqu=
ote><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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