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From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but
it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the
chassis number there.
On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
> So Charlie,
>
> Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front
> shock tower.
>
> To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's. They
> had _glass_ "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights,
> reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door handles and the lower
> rear axle. They DID have the wood dash and of course the larger
> engine making them BJ8s not BJ7s.
>
> Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
> https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13
>
> Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations. When they first
> came out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and
> rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door
> handles.
>
> Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
>
> In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two
> front and two rear.
>
> One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...
>
> https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721
>
> This should clear things up.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Curt
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie@comcast.net
>
> So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car
> with that chassis number should look like. Don't BJ8s have the
> chassis number stamped on the right front shock mount? So it may
> be titled with the wrong chassis number. That is a greater
> concern to me than being the wrong color or having poorly fitting
> seat covers. The poorly stamped chassis number plate could be
> part of the issue also.
>
> When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought
> that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts
> lights. Then I figured it was just an error on the year they put
> on the title. But this is much more serious an issue since the
> chassis number does not indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it
> definitely looks like one.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>> FWIW...
>>
>> Obviously, there are some issues with this car.
>>
>> Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also
>> brings up another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered
>> convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare
>> option to have leather seats. I don't know the percentage off the
>> top of my head, but it may have been less than 5%. I will check.
>>
>> <Leather on BJ8â??s was an option on home market cars (England).
>> Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with
>> leather seats -- â??Leather trim for seats, armrest and rear
>> folding squabsâ?? was listed as an available option for BJ8's.>
>>
>> For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly
>> a 1965 (chassis no. _30659_), and as such it would have had the
>> single plastic side lights up front and also in the rear, with
>> reflectors instead of the second set of amber plastic turn signal
>> lights?
>>
>> From the 2018 Guidelines...
>>
>> <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher
>> unit with a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in
>> profile (Lucas type 692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) _31337_ (B)
>> 76137.
>>
>> Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single
>> beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the bumper,
>> were used on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. _31336_ (B)
>> 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704). With that car,
>> the upper reflectors were replaced with separate turn-signal
>> lights (with a larger body fairing) and amber plastic lenses and
>> the lower lights were replaced with tail/brake lights with red
>> plastic lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these later cars
>> were Lucas type 692 through the end of production.>
>> Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front
>> wing wheel opening? The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and
>> the opening is not consistently round? Compare to the right rear
>> wheel opening. Maybe it's the angle of the photo, I don't know?Â
>> The left front opening looks much better.
>>
>> All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any
>> criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high
>> bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is an overall
>> good looking car none the less, even with its flaws.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Curt
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin
>>
>> Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
>> Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it
>> was restored there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't
>> want to credit/blame them.
>> It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not
>> very well as someone else mentioned.
>>
>>
>> > On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Charlie Baldwin:Â strange that I never received your
>> original message via the list (yet).
>> >
>> > Yes, I have the car in the registry. One previous owner
>> recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then
>> restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC Classics in April 2008.
>> >
>> > Steve Byers
>> > HBJ8L/36666
>> > BJ8 Registry
>> > AHCA Delegate at Large
>> > Havelock, NC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
>> >
>> > Not MGB, but 'champagne.'Â Was that an original color?Â
>> This one came
>> > from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't sell?
>> >
>> > Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift
>> lever bent, or
>> > is it an illusion? And the fluid reservoir spoils an
>> otherwise nice
>> > engine bay presentation. Nice car, nonetheless.
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:
>> > > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the
>> auction, but
>> > > apparently didn't make reserve. I think the hammer price
>> was
>> > > $67,500. Comments anyone? Steve Byers, is this one in
>> your register?
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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<p>From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped
there, but it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but
BJ8s do have the chassis number there.<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAJKrNeTFQQ7=6Dv__Xsx-axUKpoT6xf2iB_2i-PVF=EVyLz2=A@mail.gmail.com">
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">So Charlie,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped
on the right front shock tower. <br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very
similar to BJ7's. They had <u>glass</u>
"Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights,
reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door
handles and the lower rear axle. They DID have
the wood dash and of course the larger engine
making them BJ8s not BJ7s.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here's a nice example in Black w/red
interior...  <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13";
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of
variations. When they first came out in 1964-5
they now had the single plastic lights front and
rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end,
and push button door handles.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here's another nice example in Black w/red
interior...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii";
moz-do-not-send="true">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all
plastic lights, two front and two rear.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>One final example in Black over Red w/ a red
interior...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721";
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This should clear things up.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Curt</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin
<<a href="mailto:mgcharlie@comcast.net"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mgcharlie@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match
what a car with that chassis number should look like.Â
Don't BJ8s have the chassis number stamped on the right
front shock mount? So it may be titled with the wrong
chassis number. That is a greater concern to me than
being the wrong color or having poorly fitting seat
covers. The poorly stamped chassis number plate could be
part of the issue also.</p>
<p>When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction,
I thought that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the
double parking/ts lights. Then I figured it was just an
error on the year they put on the title. But this is much
more serious an issue since the chassis number does not
indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks
like one.</p>
<p>Charlie<br>
</p>
<br>
<div
class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262moz-cite-prefix">On
10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>FWIW...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Obviously, there are some issues with this car. Â
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible
and that also brings up another issue in that the vast
majority of US delivered convertibles came with vinyl
interiors, and it was a very rare option to have
leather seats. I don't know the percentage off the top
of my head, but it may have been less than 5%. I will
check.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span
class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><Leather
on BJ8â??s was an option on home market cars
(England). Very few original American LHD BJ8 have
been observed with leather seats --Â </span><span
class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle2"
style="font-family:Arial-BoldMT;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0,0,0)">â??Leather
trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabsâ??
</span><span
class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">was
listed as an available option for BJ8's.></span><br
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto">
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For me the biggest potential issue is that this car
is supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. <u>30659</u>), and
as such it would have had the single plastic side
lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors
instead of the second set of amber plastic turn signal
lights?  </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>From the 2018 Guidelines...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span
class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><</span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">BJ8s
from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn
flasher unit with a </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">white
plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile
(Lucas type 692), up </span><span
class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">through
Phase II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B) 76137.</span></div>
<div><span
class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Rear
combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a
single beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just
above the bumper, were used on all Healeys up to
Phase II BJ8 Car No. <u>31336</u> (B) 76138 (type
594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704). With that car,
the upper reflectors were replaced with separate
turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and
amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">replaced  </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">with
tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses. Both
upper and lower lights </span><span
class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">on
these later cars were Lucas type 692 through the end
of production.></span></div>
<div>Â Â </div>
<div>Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the
right front wing wheel opening? The metal work looks
a bit inconsistent and the opening is not consistently
round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening. Maybe
it's the angle of the photo, I don't know? The left
front opening looks much better.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and
overall, any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a
cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may reflect
these observations. It is an overall good looking car
none the less, even with its flaws.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Curt</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie
Baldwin <<a href="mailto:mgcharlie@comcast.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mgcharlie@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Steve,
I'm glad you have it in the registry.<br>
Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show
that it was restored there, but I didn't know for
sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.<br>
It appears that leather seat covers were installed,
but not very well as someone else mentioned.<br>
<br>
<br>
> On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys <<a
href="mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Charlie Baldwin:Â strange that I never received
your original message via the list (yet).<br>
> <br>
> Yes, I have the car in the registry. One
previous owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member
1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC
Classics in April 2008.<br>
> <br>
> Steve Byers<br>
> HBJ8L/36666<br>
> BJ8 Registry<br>
> AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
> Havelock, NCÂ <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Healeys [mailto:<a
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<br>
> <br>
> Not MGB, but 'champagne.'Â Was that an original
color? This one came <br>
> from the factory in white; maybe that's why it
didn't sell?<br>
> <br>
> Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is
the shift lever bent, or <br>
> is it an illusion? And the fluid reservoir
spoils an otherwise nice <br>
> engine bay presentation. Nice car, nonetheless.<br>
> <br>
> Bob<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:<br>
> > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was
in the auction, but <br>
> > apparently didn't make reserve. I think the
hammer price was <br>
> > $67,500. Comments anyone? Steve Byers, is
this one in your register?<br>
> ><br>
> > <a
href="https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386";
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386</a>
<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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