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The Webers are considered "cheater" largely because most vintage groups fo=
llow the old SCCA GCR to some degree, & rules were very specific about carb=
s, & many other things that are pretty much ignored today...They were never=
legal for Production classes.Having strict rules is a PITA sometimes but i=
t levels the playing-field, without it becomes more of how much $$ do you w=
ant to throw at the car to gain that advantage & win?JMHO of course...
Glen Efinger
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: 'Jason Ostrowski' <jason@multivintage.com>; 'Greg Blake' <gblake58tr3@i=
cloud.com>
Cc: 'Fot' <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 13, 2022 10:34 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Hallett racing video
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ction1 {}#yiv0508882779 Cheater Weber=E2=80=99s?=C2=A0 Where did the Almigh=
ty write on stone that no one can race in vintage with a Weber carburetor? =
=C2=A0Walk through any pit at a vintage race event and see a significant % =
of cars, of all makes, with these installed.=C2=A0 In our club you bump up =
a category with Weber=E2=80=99s.=C2=A0 In 2022 it would be impossible to fi=
eld a car with ALL Triumph parts inside the engine or transmission.=C2=A0 O=
ne of the FOT members just let everyone know about new and updated critical=
parts for the transmission. =C2=A0I sure don=E2=80=99t consider those to b=
e cheater parts.=C2=A0 I recall Kas telling stories about total engine rebu=
ilds after every bloody race with stock TR parts.=C2=A0 You know, back in t=
he day when he had a key to stock room of every part that Triumph supplied =
and it was his full time job to field a car.=C2=A0 Modern parts and oil kee=
p our vintage cars on the track for seasons between rebuilds. =C2=A0If it i=
s not against the rules in the club you race in, it is not cheating. =C2=A0=
Ken =C2=A0From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jason Ostrows=
ki via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 2:53 PM
To: Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com>
Cc: Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Hallett racing video =C2=A0Great start by Frymark!An=
d too bad the cheater Webber=E2=80=99s let him down.More proof that the rac=
ing Gods look down on non Triumph parts.Good drive Bob.Looked like fun. =C2=
=A0Jason Ostrowski=C2=A0Friendly Ghost Racing=C2=A01969 Triumph GT6+ raceca=
rs =C2=A0Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 12, 2022, at 1:21 AM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFIt was great fun having all the Triumphs together. Love Hallet, su=
ch a great track for our cars. Can=E2=80=99t wait to do it again.=C2=A0Sent=
from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2022, at 20:30, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFCVAR allowed the D Production Triumphs to join in with the Group 2=
Production cars for the race weekend at Hallett. DP normally runs in Group=
7 with C Prod and B Sedan, but Groups 1 and 7 were combined for Hallett an=
d the Group 2 racers agreed to let us run with them. We fit in well. Here i=
s a youtube link to the Sunday morning race.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://you=
tu.be/wumRyOnyVOU
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<div> <font size=3D"2">The Webers are considered "cheater" largely because =
most vintage groups follow the old SCCA GCR to some degree, & rules wer=
e very specific about carbs, & many other things that are pretty much i=
gnored today...</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">They were never legal for Production classes.</font><=
/div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Having strict rules is a PITA sometimes but it levels=
the playing-field, without it becomes more of how much $$ do you want to t=
hrow at the car to gain that advantage & win?</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">JMHO of course...<br>
</font></div>
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<div><font size=3D"2">Glen Efinger</font><br>
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From: Ken Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
To: 'Jason Ostrowski' <jason@multivintage.com>; 'Greg Blake' <gbla=
ke58tr3@icloud.com><br>
Cc: 'Fot' <fot@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Thu, Oct 13, 2022 10:34 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Hallett racing video<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv0508882779MsoNormal">Cheater Weber=E2=80=99s? Where =
did the Almighty write on stone that no one can race in vintage with a Webe=
r carburetor? Walk through any pit at a vintage race event and see a =
significant % of cars, of all makes, with these installed. In our clu=
b you bump up a category with Weber=E2=80=99s. In 2022 it would be im=
possible to field a car with ALL Triumph parts inside the engine or transmi=
ssion. One of the FOT members just let everyone know about new and up=
dated critical parts for the transmission. I sure don=E2=80=99t consi=
der those to be cheater parts. I recall Kas telling stories about tot=
al engine rebuilds after every bloody race with stock TR parts. You k=
now, back in the day when he had a key to stock room of every part that Tri=
umph supplied and it was his full time job to field a car. Modern par=
ts and oil keep our vintage cars on the track for seasons between rebuilds.=
If it is not against the rules in the club you race in, it is not ch=
eating. Ken</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0508882779MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Fot <fot-bounces@auto=
x.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Ostrowski via Fot<br clear=3D"none=
"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 12, 2022 2:53 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:=
</b> Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com><br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b>=
Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot]=
FOT Hallett racing video</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0508882779MsoNormal">Great start by Frymark!</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0508882779MsoNormal">And too bad the cheater Webber=E2=80=
=99s let him down.</div>
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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0508882779MsoNormal">More proof that the racing Gods look =
down on non Triumph parts.</div>
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<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0508882779MsoNormal">Good drive Bob.</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0508882779MsoNormal">Looked like fun.</div>
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t 12, 2022, at 1:21 AM, Greg Blake via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D=
"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"yiv0508882779MsoNormal">=EF=
=BB=BFIt was great fun having all the Triumphs together. Love Hallet, such =
a great track for our cars. Can=E2=80=99t wait to do it again. </div>
<div>
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t 11, 2022, at 20:30, Bob Kramer via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:fot@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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pan style=3D"font-family:Roboto;color:black;">CVAR allowed the D Production=
Triumphs to join in with the Group 2 Production cars for the race weekend =
at Hallett. DP normally runs in Group 7 with C Prod and B Sedan, but Groups=
1 and 7 were combined for Hallett and the Group 2 racers agreed to let us =
run with them. We fit in well. Here is a youtube link to the Sunday morning=
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