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Back in 2002 at Mid Ohio they had a swap meet in the car show area. I
bought a box of a hundred new head studs and a sleeve of NOS shim steel
head gaskets from a guy there. Ithink I paid $100 for the whole lot. I
still have some gaskets. I sold some stud sets on eBay years and years ago
to recoup the cost but I still have a bunch. I also started using ARP
because of the hex key recess..
Bob Kramer
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 5:22 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> The original steel shim gaskets had 1 front & 1 rear diagonal holes just
> slightly smaller so that the gasket would locate on those 2 studs; you la=
y
> the gasket on & screw in those 2 studs, and fit the head and the rest scr=
ew
> in easily.
> The current replacements have all of the holes same size.
> Glen Efinger
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> To: Phil Gott <vfracing@aol.com>
> Cc: FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 5:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?
>
> Hi Phil. I used the same exact process when installing the steel shim
> head gaskets on my TR-4 race car all those years ago. 2 studs, head
> gasket, rest of studs (all gasket surfaces and the block liberally smeare=
d
> with Gaskacinch gasket sealer), then the cylinder head (also smeared with
> Gaskacinch).. Worked then, sounds like it still works now. Some things
> never change.
>
> Jack
>
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 6:50:31 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot <
> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> I had been re-using stock head studs with no problems. But I found that
> the ability to install the ARP head studs with an Allen hex wench made it
> far easier to install the studs. I only put in two studs, then the pre
> treated head gasket, then the other head studs and finally, the head
> itself. Because the steel shim gaskets that I use are such a precision fi=
t
> on the studs, it is easier to install the gasket if there are only two
> studs in place. And yes, I re use the ARP studs.
> Phil Gott
> =E2=80=9865 TR4A HRG Group 3.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 9, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> I re-use the ARP head studs. Don=E2=80=99t have any stock =E2=80=9Ccriti=
cal" bolts/studs
> in my race engine.
>
> On Mar 9, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
>
> wrote:
>
> In 39 years of British cars, I've never replaced a head stud, never had a
> head stud failure. Broken most everything else...........except for coil=
s,
> never had a bad coil............
>
> Henry Morrison
>
> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
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> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Greg
> Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 12:14 PM
> *To:* Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com>
> *Cc:* list Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?
>
> I know some people always replace them, I have never replaced them and
> never had a problem with head gaskets or heads--the includes Sprite/Midge=
t,
> MGB, 4 and 6 cylinder TR, and big Healey.
>
> Somebody, maybe Randall, said run a good nut up and down the thread, if
> stretched it will bind.
>
> Greg Lemon, TR250
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 1:06 PM Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A=E2=80=99s head is=
at the
> machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use th=
e
> head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even
> if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on
> this, but am interested in yours.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cliff
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Back in 2002 at Mid Ohio they had a swap meet in the car s=
how area.=C2=A0 I bought a box of a hundred=C2=A0new head studs and a sleev=
e of NOS shim steel head gaskets from a guy there.=C2=A0 Ithink I paid $100=
for the whole lot. I still have some gaskets.=C2=A0 I sold some stud sets =
on eBay years and years ago to recoup=C2=A0the cost but I still have=C2=A0a=
bunch. I also started=C2=A0using ARP because of the hex key recess..<div><=
br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smart=
mail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br><=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 5:22 PM fubog1 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div> <font size=3D"2">The original steel shim gaskets had 1 front & 1 =
rear diagonal holes just slightly smaller so that the gasket would locate o=
n those 2 studs; you lay the gasket on & screw in those 2 studs, and fi=
t the head and the rest screw in easily.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">The current replacements have all of the holes same s=
ize.<br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Glen Efinger</font><br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
To: Phil Gott <<a href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">vfr=
acing@aol.com</a>><br>
Cc: FOT Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 5:44 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?<br>
<br>
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erif;font-size:13px">
<div></div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Phil.=C2=A0 I used the same exact process when installi=
ng the steel shim head gaskets on my TR-4 race car all those years ago.=C2=
=A0 2 studs, head gasket, rest of studs (all gasket surfaces and the block =
liberally smeared with Gaskacinch gasket sealer), then the cylinder head (a=
lso smeared with Gaskacinch)..=C2=A0 Worked then, sounds like it still work=
s now.=C2=A0 Some things never change.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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5746387730">
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erif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
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<div id=3D"gmail-m_-705088414042585500yiv0476184875yqt29009">
<div>
On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 6:50:31 PM EST, Phil Gott vi=
a Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox=
.team.net</a>> wrote:
</div>
=20
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
=20
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=20
<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-705088414042585500yiv0476184875ydpd95e1bc4yiv6324567068=
">
<div>I had been re-using stock head studs with no problems. But I found tha=
t the ability to install the ARP head studs with an Allen hex wench made it=
far easier to install the studs. I only put in two studs, then the pre tre=
ated head gasket, then the other head studs and finally, the head itself. B=
ecause the steel shim gaskets that I use are such a precision fit on the st=
uds, it is easier to install the gasket if there are only two studs in plac=
e.=C2=A0 And yes, I re use the ARP studs.=C2=A0
<div>Phil Gott</div>
<div>=E2=80=9865 TR4A HRG Group 3.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-705088414042585500yiv0476184875ydpd95e1bc4yiv6324567068=
yqtfd15220"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 9, 2021, at=
3:53 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br cle=
ar=3D"none"></blockquote></div>
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yqtfd15152"><blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF</div>
</blockquote></div>
</div>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-705088414042585500yiv0476184875ydpd95e1bc4yiv6324567068=
yqtfd60231">
<div>I re-use the ARP head studs.=C2=A0 Don=E2=80=99t have any stock =E2=80=
=9Ccritical" bolts/studs in my race engine.<br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div>On Mar 9, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <<a rel=3D"no=
follow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div></div>
</div>
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</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-705088414042585500yiv0476184875ydpd95e1bc4yiv6324567068=
yqtfd44985">
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-=
decoration-line:none;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:curr=
entcolor;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">In 39 yea=
rs of British cars, I've never replaced a head stud, never had a head s=
tud failure.=C2=A0 Broken most everything else...........except for coils, =
never had a bad coil............</div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-=
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<div>I know some people always replace them, I have never replaced them and=
never had a problem with head gaskets or heads--the includes Sprite/Midget=
, MGB, 4 and 6 cylinder TR, and big Healey.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Somebody, maybe Randall, said run a good nut up and down the thread, i=
f stretched it will bind.</div>
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<div>Greg Lemon, TR250</div>
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dvice and experience. The 4A=E2=80=99s head is at the machinist for a clean=
up (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the head studs, or would =
you replace them? They are likely original, and even if not, have been in p=
lace for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on this, but am interested i=
n yours.</div>
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<div style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Thanks,</div>
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