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Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing

To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing
From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 20:48:37 +0000 (UTC)
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 I always said those things were stout.=C2=A0 Raced one for 25 years withou=
t a failure.
Jack

    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 2:21:33 PM EST, Tony Drews via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit Locker diff.=
=C2=A0 Large bang, it didn't like that.=C2=A0 Detroit Locker was OK, but th=
e one way clutch / roller arrangement in the OD broke into multiple pieces.=
=C2=A0 What's funny is that it still worked perfectly.=C2=A0 I had some deb=
ris fall out later when I changed the tranny oil so I took the OD apart and=
 the inner part of the one way roller assembly came out in 3 or 4 pieces.
=20
Cheers, Tony
=20
 On 12/24/2019 12:49 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote:
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 Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won=E2=80=99t do, what hap=
pens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? =C2=A0 Probably my big=
gest concern for running one of these in a race car... =C2=A0 I was thinkin=
g I=E2=80=99d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill =
advised now that I bring up that question. =C2=A0 Has anyone ever spun and =
rolled backwards, with OD engaged?=20
  Dave G
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On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com=
> wrote:
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  If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spr=
ing to get closer to 500psi.=C2=A0
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On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
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 =EF=BB=BF I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2=E2=80=9D elect=
ric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. =C2=A0(Mak=
e sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. =C2=A0 I=
 was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I=E2=80=99ll h=
ave to shim the spring I guess.=20
  Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a lo=
ad on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I=E2=80=99m assuming th=
is might be an issue? =C2=A0Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as app=
ropriate?=20
  Hopefully I don=E2=80=99t hijack your thread too much!=20
  Thanks, Dave Gott
 62 TR4 (=E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D type on the bench)
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On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.te=
am.net> wrote:
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    I have tested overdrives like this for years.=C2=A0 My drive motor only=
 spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in th=
e same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a fo=
rward speed.=C2=A0 Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it=
 in the wrong direction.=20
  Jack
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       On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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     Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-=
Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with=
 a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmiss=
ion=C2=A0INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear=
. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only=
 going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks i=
n advance Glenn=20
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I always said those things w=
ere stout.&nbsp; Raced one for 25 years without a failure.</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false=
">Jack<br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 2:21:33 PM EST, Tony Dre=
ws via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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    <p>I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit
      Locker diff.&nbsp; Large bang, it didn't like that.&nbsp; Detroit Loc=
ker was
      OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in the OD broke
      into multiple pieces.&nbsp; What's funny is that it still worked
      perfectly.&nbsp; I had some debris fall out later when I changed the
      tranny oil so I took the OD apart and the inner part of the one
      way roller assembly came out in 3 or 4 pieces.</p>
    <p>Cheers, Tony<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div class=3D"ydp7580742fyiv7831776079moz-cite-prefix">On 12/24/2019 12=
:49 PM, David Gott via
      Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div><div>
      Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won=E2=80=99t do, wha=
t
      happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? &nbsp; Probab=
ly
      my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... &nbsp; I
      was thinking I=E2=80=99d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I t=
hink
      that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. &nbsp; Has
      anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged?
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div>Dave G<br clear=3D"none">
        <br clear=3D"none">
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        <p class=3D"ydp7580742fyiv7831776079yahoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:15px;color:#715FFA;padding-top:15px;margin-top:0;">On Tuesday,
          December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake
          <a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp7580742fyiv7831776079moz-txt-link-r=
fc2396E" href=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"=
_blank">&lt;gblake58tr3@icloud.com&gt;</a> wrote:</p>
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            <div>If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming
              the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi.&nbsp;<br clea=
r=3D"none">
              <br clear=3D"none">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
              <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
                <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM,
                  David Gott via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp7580742f=
yiv7831776079moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;</a> wrote:<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
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                <div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
                  I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2=E2=80=
=9D
                  electric drill on the input shaft and turning the
                  whole transmission. &nbsp;(Make sure to spin the right
                  direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. &nbsp; I was ab=
le
                  to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so
                  I=E2=80=99ll have to shim the spring I guess.
                  <div><br clear=3D"none">
                  </div>
                  <div>Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me,
                    but I did not have a load on the output flange, due
                    to being on the bench; I=E2=80=99m assuming this might =
be an
                    issue? &nbsp;Or would a load coax the OD to releasing a=
s
                    appropriate?</div>
                  <div><br clear=3D"none">
                  </div>
                  <div>Hopefully I don=E2=80=99t hijack your thread too muc=
h!</div>
                  <div><br clear=3D"none">
                  </div>
                  <div>Thanks,</div>
                  <div>Dave Gott<br clear=3D"none">
                    62 TR4 (=E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D type on the bench)<br clear=
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 style=3D"font-size:15px;color:#715FFA;padding-top:15px;margin-top:0;">On
                      Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler
                      via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp7580742fyiv7831=
776079moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank">&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;</a> wrote:</p>
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                          <div class=3D"ydp7580742fyiv7831776079ydp7dbf0fe6=
yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px;">
                            <div dir=3D"ltr">I have tested overdrives like
                              this for years.&nbsp; My drive motor only spi=
ns
                              in one direction, which makes sure the
                              output shaft only spins in the same
                              direction the shaft would be spinning when
                              the car is driven in a forward speed.&nbsp;
                              Therefore, I don't know what would happen
                              if you spun it in the wrong direction.</div>
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                            <div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br clear=3D"none">
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                                <div> On Monday, December 23, 2019,
                                  10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot
                                  <a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp7580742fyiv=
7831776079moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"=
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                                      <div>Merry Christmas</div>
                                      <div>Quick Question</div>
                                      <div>A friend of mine started
                                        testing his A-Type Overdrives by
                                        back spinning the output flange
                                        (to the prop shaft) with a
                                        pulley and electric motor.</div>
                                      <div>I've seen this done by
                                        spinning the transmission&nbsp;INPU=
T
                                        shaft with a pulley and electric
                                        motor but not from the rear.</div>
                                      <div>Any chance of damaging the
                                        overdrive since the overrunning
                                        clutch is only going to spin in
                                        the one direction, can it lock
                                        up the overdrive?</div>
                                      <div>Thanks in advance</div>
                                      <div>Glenn</div>
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