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I've been using them for the last seven years with no problems.=20
jim g=20
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo@gmail.com>=20
To: "Brad Eells" <tr4abrad@gmail.com>, "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" <fot@a=
utox.team.net>=20
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:34:24 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing rod design=20
Yes, they are the ebay rods. I saw some e-mail traffic that they don't clea=
r the cylinder liners at the bottom when rotated.=20
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Brad Eells < tr4abrad@gmail.com > wrote:=
=20
Are these the Ebay rods that have been discussed?=20
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Connecting-Rods-for-Triumph-TR3-TR4-Forged-Conrods-=
Con-Rod-158-75mm-ARP-Bolts-/131562025540?hash=3Ditem1ea1b53244&vxp=3Dmtr=20
Any thoughts? The price is certainly attractive...=20
Brad=20
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, MadMarx < tr4racing@googlemail.com > wrot=
e:=20
<blockquote>
Hi Guys,=20
=C2=A0=20
After my engine blow at the last race and a rod in two pieces I investigate=
d about rod design.=20
=C2=A0=20
In US forums I found an interesting opinion:=20
=C2=A0=20
H-beam rods are for low rev high torque engine (turbo, compressor)=20
I-beam are for medium torque engines with high revs=20
=C2=A0=20
As engineer I agree with this statement. On high revs the rod shaft gets be=
nded back and forth by the inertia caused by the rotation.=20
I could imagine that the sharp sides of the H-beam rod will create a crack =
after a while because the stiffness for bending along the rotation axis sma=
ller than with an I-beam rod.=20
That means to me that the fatigue resistance is smaller on an H-beam rod at=
high revs.=20
With high revs on a long stroke engine I mean 6000+.=20
=C2=A0=20
The manufacturer of the broken H-beam rod was Scat.=20
=C2=A0=20
I think next time I order an I-beam rod from Scat.=20
=C2=A0=20
What do you think?=20
=C2=A0=20
Cheers=20
Chris=20
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">I've been using them for the last seve=
n years with no problems.<BR></DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">jim g</DIV>
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ata-mce-style=3D"color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text=
-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
;"><B>From: </B>"John Styduhar" <johnstydo@gmail.com><BR><B>To: </B>"=
Brad Eells" <tr4abrad@gmail.com>, "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" <f=
ot@autox.team.net><BR><B>Sent: </B>Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:34:24 AM<BR=
><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Fot] Racing rod design<BR>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small" data-mce-style=3D"fon=
t-size: small;">Yes, they are the ebay rods. I saw some e-mail traffic that=
they don't clear the cylinder liners at the bottom when rotated.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Brad Eells <SPAN =
dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"mailto:tr4abrad@gmail.com" target=3D_blank data-mc=
e-href=3D"mailto:tr4abrad@gmail.com">tr4abrad@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrot=
e:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px=
0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8=
ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Are these the Ebay rods that have been discussed?
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/Connecting-Rods-for-Triumph-TR3-TR4=
-Forged-Conrods-Con-Rod-158-75mm-ARP-Bolts-/131562025540?hash=3Ditem1ea1b53=
244&vxp=3Dmtr" target=3D_blank data-mce-href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm=
/Connecting-Rods-for-Triumph-TR3-TR4-Forged-Conrods-Con-Rod-158-75mm-ARP-Bo=
lts-/131562025540?hash=3Ditem1ea1b53244&vxp=3Dmtr">http://www.ebay.com/=
itm/Connecting-Rods-for-Triumph-TR3-TR4-Forged-Conrods-Con-Rod-158-75mm-ARP=
-Bolts-/131562025540?hash=3Ditem1ea1b53244&vxp=3Dmtr</A><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Any thoughts? The price is certainly attractive...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Brad</DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, MadMarx <SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A href=
=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com" target=3D_blank data-mce-href=3D"mailt=
o:tr4racing@googlemail.com">tr4racing@googlemail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<=
BR></DIV></DIV>
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0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana"=
,"sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Hi Guys,<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-=
DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPA=
N><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decorat=
ion: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana"=
,"sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATI=
ON: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN> =
<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoratio=
n: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">After my engine=
blow at the last race and a rod in two pieces I investigated about rod des=
ign.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decor=
ation: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-m=
ce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN> <SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">In US forums I =
found an interesting opinion:<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECO=
RATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></=
SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN> <SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">H-beam rods are=
for low rev high torque engine (turbo, compressor)<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECO=
RATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><S=
PAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration:=
underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">I-beam are for =
medium torque engines with high revs<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underli=
ne" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TE=
XT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></=
SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN> <SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">As engineer I a=
gree with this statement. On high revs the rod shaft gets bended back and f=
orth by the inertia caused by the rotation.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: =
underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN styl=
e=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underli=
ne;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">I could imagine=
that the sharp sides of the H-beam rod will create a crack after a while b=
ecause the stiffness for bending along the rotation axis smaller than with =
an I-beam rod.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"=
text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underli=
ne" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">That means to m=
e that the fatigue resistance is smaller on an H-beam rod at high revs.<SPA=
N style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: u=
nderline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=
=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">With high revs =
on a long stroke engine I mean 6000+.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underl=
ine" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"T=
EXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"><=
/SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN> <SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">The manufacture=
r of the broken H-beam rod was Scat.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underli=
ne" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TE=
XT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></=
SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN> <SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">I think next ti=
me I order an I-beam rod from Scat.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underlin=
e" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEX=
T-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></S=
PAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN> <SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">What do you thi=
nk?<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decora=
tion: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mc=
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LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
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</SPAN> <SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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