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I appreciate your chiming in. Mine will engage most of the time. Based on
what I have heard, I will get the gear reduction starter and install it this
summer.
Thanks Greg.
Jack
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From: Greg And Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 9:08 AM
To: Jack Brooks
Cc: <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 starter issue
Jack,
I had a similar starter issue back when the 3 was a street car it had the
symptoms that you describe. It was an internal fault in the starter. From
what I remember there was a bushing that had degraded over time that was
causing the starter to not engage. It was spin just fine but could not
engage an turn the motor over.
Sorry, can't answer the other questions.
On May 22, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Jack Brooks via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
Amici,
I am finally looking to install a gear reduction starter in my (post 60K)
Street/Auto-X TR3A. I believe I need the long later starter, as that is
what is in the car, but I have some function issues which I do not
understand. My configuration is as follows:
Block: TR4
Tranny: TR3, non-syncro OD. The small starter bulge on the tranny has been
modified/extended to accommodate the longer starter. The hole is covered to
keep dirt and moisture out.
Flywheel: TR4A-6 style, with bolt on ring gear, lightened to 22 pounds
Clutch: Clutchmaster TR6
I believe the fact that I am using the TR4A-6 flywheel and bolt-on ring gear
drives the need for the long starter. Any help in confirming this would be
appreciated.
While this combination has been in place for at least 10 years, I do get
times when the starter spins up, but does not "catch" the ring gear, so it
does not turn over the engine. Restarting always catches, although
sometimes this could take a few tries. I've always thought this was the
starter needed an overhaul, but have not taken the time to pull it and see.
The starter pinion and ring gear never crunch. It either engages well or
not, although it may engage and "slip out" occasionally. This
non-engagement gets worse with decreasing temperature. On a 40 degree day,
I have tried over 15 starts before it'll catch. This is unacceptable.
I want to be sure this is a starter problem and not a component problem
before I install a new starter and potentially cause problems.
Also, any help on figuring out the non-engagement and slipping issues would
be great.
Just for grins, is there any way to tell which starter is installed without
pulling it out? It's been a while.
Thanks in advance,
Jack
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>I appreciate your chiming =
in. Mine
will engage most of the time. Based on what I have heard, I will =
get the gear
reduction starter and install it this =
summer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Thanks =
Greg.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Jack<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Greg =
And Alison
Blake [mailto:ablake2@austin.rr.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, May 23, =
2015 9:08
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Jack Brooks<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> =
<fot@autox.team.net><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] TR3/4 =
starter
issue</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Jack,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I had a similar starter issue back when the 3 was a street car =
it had
the symptoms that you describe. It was an internal fault in the starter. =
From
what I remember there was a bushing that had degraded over time that was
causing the starter to not engage. It was spin just fine but could not =
engage
an turn the motor over. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Sorry, can't =
answer the
other questions. <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
On May 22, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Jack Brooks via Fot <<a
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Amici,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I am finally looking to install a gear reduction starter in my =
(post
60K) Street/Auto-X TR3A. I believe I need the long later =
starter,
as that is what is in the car, but I have some function issues which I =
do not
understand. My configuration is as =
follows:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Block: TR4<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Tranny: TR3, non-syncro OD. The small starter bulge on the =
tranny
has been modified/extended to accommodate the longer starter. The =
hole is
covered to keep dirt and moisture out.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Flywheel: TR4A-6 style, with bolt on ring gear, lightened to 22 =
pounds <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Clutch: Clutchmaster TR6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I believe the fact that I am using the TR4A-6 flywheel and =
bolt-on ring
gear drives the need for the long starter. Any help in confirming =
this
would be appreciated. <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>While this combination has been in place for at least 10 years, =
I do
get times when the starter spins up, but does not “catch” =
the ring
gear, so it does not turn over the engine. Restarting always =
catches,
although sometimes this could take a few tries. I’ve always =
thought
this was the starter needed an overhaul, but have not taken the time to =
pull it
and see. The starter pinion and ring gear never crunch. It =
either
engages well or not, although it may engage and “slip out”
occasionally. This non-engagement gets worse with decreasing
temperature. On a 40 degree day, I have tried over 15 starts =
before
it’ll catch. This is unacceptable. =
<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I want to be sure this is a starter problem and not a component =
problem
before I install a new starter and potentially cause =
problems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Also, any help on figuring out the non-engagement and slipping =
issues
would be great. <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Just for grins, is there any way to tell which starter is =
installed
without pulling it out? It’s been a while.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<u1:p></u1:p>
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