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Re: Tire Pressure

To: "Richard Taylor" <tarch@bellsouth.net>, "'Bill Babcock'"
Subject: Re: Tire Pressure
From: "kas kastner" <kaskas@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:42:45 -0800
When working with tire pressure for tuning remember that the sidewall of the
tire is a SPRING and thus you are actually altering the spring rate when you
change the pressures.  In the case of bias - belted tires you are also
altering the DIAMETER. ----- Original Message -----
  From: Richard Taylor
  To: 'Bill Babcock' ; 'rob' ; yellowandgreen@comcast.net ; fot@autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:24 AM
  Subject: RE: Tire Pressure


  Bill,

  Your chart is a great help but I find the tire pressure part not compatible
  with my experience.

  When I increase the front tire pressure, my car (TR-4) will start to push
  through the turns. Hence, my sense is that a softer tire has more traction
  (but carries more drag in the straight-aways). Conversely, I figure that a
  harder tire has less adhesion in the turns but less drag down the
straights.
  If higher tire pressure equates to higher adhesion in the turns and less
  road friction in the straights, why are we all not running 45 psi?

  My MO has always been to keep the tires as hard as I can until they slide
  too much in the turns, then lower the pressure (forward or rear) until they
  stick. I must admit that I have worked out my tire pressure program without
  much outside support. If I'm wrong, it's not because anybody told me wrong.
  It's simply because I figured it out wrong....and that won't be a first
  either.

  In fact, from your experience, what is the right way to set tire pressure?

  I appreciate you help on this issue.

  Richard Taylor

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-fot@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-fot@autox.team.net] On Behalf
  Of Bill Babcock
  Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:29 AM
  To: 'rob'; yellowandgreen@comcast.net; fot@autox.team.net
  Subject: RE: sway bar

  I assume you mean this:
  INCREASE UNDERSTEER OVERSTEER

  FRONT SPRINGS STIFFER SOFTER

  REAR SPRINGS SOFTER STIFFER

  FRONT SWAY BAR STIFFER SOFTER

  REAR SWAY BAR SOFTER STIFFER

  FRONT TIRE PSI LOWER HIGHER

  REAR TIRE PSI HIGHER LOWER

  FRONT CAMBER POSITIVE NEGATIVE

  REAR CAMBER NEGATIVE POSITIVE

  LBS. DISTRIBUTION FORWARD REARWARD


  This is a standard chart I've seen a lot of places. It's generally correct
  but it's a bit of an oversimplification. This is a small increase in detail
  over Dave Talbot's rule of "soften the end that's sliding". For example,
  Understeer means sliding the front end, so to decrease it you soften the
  front springs or sway bar (increase oversteer), and/or stiffen the rear
  springs or sway bar.

  Camber and tire pressure are oversimplifications. For example, if your
front
  camber is already sufficiently negative, making it more negative will not
  increase the contact patch size under cornering and so it will not reduce
  understeer. Likewise, if you already have enough tire pressure, increasing
  it will not make the tire flatter and will not reduce understeer--in fact
  the tire will crown and overheat in the center.  So there are upper limits.
  Still, it's a handy chart.

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