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Re: Sunbeam Alpine

To: british-cars@Alliant.COM (SOL mail list)
Subject: Re: Sunbeam Alpine
From: T.J. Higgins <mit-eddie!uunet.UU.NET!a106d!tj@EDDIE.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 90 11:31:29 CDT
Larry Colen asked about Alpines.  You came to the right place.  By the
time you finish this, you'll probably wish you'd never asked....


1.  Identification
        (from the 1990 Victoria British Catalog)

Series  Engine  Production Years        Chassis IDs          Production Total
------  ------  ----------------        -----------          ----------------
  1     1494cc  Oct 59 - Oct 60         B9000001 to             11,904
                                        B9011904

  2     1592cc  Oct 60 - Feb 63         B9100001 to             19,956
                                        B9119956

  3     1592cc  Mar 63 - Jan 64         B9200001 to              5,863
                                        B9205863

  4     1592cc  Jan 64 - Sep 64         B9400001 to              7,936
                                        B9407936

  4*    1592cc  Sep 64 - Sep 65         B94100001 to             4,470
                                        B94104470

  5     1725cc  Sep 65 - Jan 68         B395000001 to           19,122
                                        B395019122              ------
                                                        TOTAL   69,251

* All-syncho transmission introduced.

The chassis and engine block numbers will be the same if the car has 
the original engine.  The chassis ID number is found stamped on a 
plate secured to the hood lock platform.  The engine ID number is 
stamped low on the right side of the engine block, near the fuel pump.


2a.  Pricing
        (from the April 1990 issue of "British Car")

GOOD POINTS
Still goodlooking, more unique than TR4s/TR6s or MGBs of the sixties, 
and better built.  Comfortable ride and good handling, parts readily 
available, club support.

BAD POINTS
More rust-prone than its rivals, early engines tended to wear or break
prematurely.  Not generally recognized as readily as MG or Triumph.

VALUE GUIDE
Condition:      5       4       3       2       1
Value:          $300    $800    $1800   $3500   $6000

INVESTMENT GUIDE
Although over 69,000 Alpines were built, they seem scarce now.  While 
values today are below those of equal MGs and Triumphs, they will be 
going up soon, eventually outstripping its rivals.  Its association 
with the simmilarity to the sought-after Tiger can only enhance, much 
like the AC Ace following the AC Cobra's lead.  Buy now cheap; short 
term increases slow, but in two years, massive appreciation.


2b.     (From the June 1989 issue of "Restoring Classic Cars")

PRICE GUIDE
   Alpine prices are still pretty reasonable, when you consider what 
you are getting for your money.  Even the very best cars don't 
normally fetch more than about #5000, though some hopefuls have been 
advertising examples at #6000 recently.
   There's no shortage of basket-case examples around, but you 
shouldn't expect to pay much more than #600 for one of those.  And 
remember that restoration costs will probably be expensive.  Think in 
terms of #3000-#4000 to have the body shell done (cheaper if you can 
do it yourself of course) and don't expect to get much change of of 
#10,000 for a full professional rebuild.
   Moving up the scale a bit, #1500 should buy you a tatty but fairly 
sound car with an MoT worthy of the paper it's printed on.  For #2500,
you ought to be able to find something fairly decent, perhaps in need 
of a little tidying but perhaps also already partly restored.  Make 
sure that partial restoration was done properly, though!
   The really nice Alpines start at #4000 or so.  For this money, you 
should get something you can be proud of.  Look after it!

(What's the pound this days?  $1.65?)


2c.     Personal opinions

I've always considered the Alpine to be the moral equivalent of MGBs
(of the sixties) and TR4s (but not TR4As, due to the suspension
differences).  But Alpines don't have the macho image or racing
heritage of those other two.  If you want to race, I wouldn't get an
Alpine.  But for a fun, distinctive, top-down cruiser, an Alpine is
just as good as the others.

Someone else mentioned Alpine prices possibly following in the 
footsteps of the Tiger.  Tiger prices have been levelling and even 
falling recently.  The October 1990 "British Car" states:  "The Tiger 
has been recently highly speculated upon, with profit-seeking dealers 
and private owners anticipating it to follow in the footsteps of the 
Cobra.  Obviously that has not happened, and asking prices (up to 
$100K!) have dropped back to pre-inflation levels."  They list a #1 
Tiger at $25,000.  I wouldn't expect Alpines to top the $10,000 mark
for a while yet.  Besides, it took a while for the Ace to follow the
Cobra.  If the Tiger goes out of reach, it will still take a couple
of years for the Alpine to follow.

Given that Alpines are equivalent to TR4s/MGBs, I'd check around in 
your area and see what the going prices are for those cars that are 
similar in condition to the Alpine in question, and price the Alpine 
accordingly.

Hope this helps,
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