Yup, 3rd gen RX-7 with a good launch in the 4.8-4.9 range according to
my G-tech pro, showing that magazine writers / reviewers don't
necessarily know how to launch a car with a pipey engine. Power output
of 245 on the chassis dyno, showing its 255 BHP rating to be
conservatively low.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Creasy
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 22:31
> To: Talley, Brooks; ba-autox@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: New MINI Cooper and Cooper S.
>
>
> oh, and how about the rx7 TT published 0-60 time of 5.5
> seconds when 4.8 was more realistic!
>
> i drove a supra TT and a 98 z28 back to back once and boy the
> supra felt faster!
>
> -james
> OSP - Old School Power
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Talley, Brooks" <brooks@frnk.com>
> To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 10:12 PM
> Subject: RE: New MINI Cooper and Cooper S.
>
>
> > Not to mention 4th gen F-bodies, which typically get the "crank"
> > rating at the wheels (I haven't kept up, but when I got my
> 99 it was
> > rated at 305 crank and turned 303 at the wheels, which
> would suggest
> > roughly 355 at the crank; later years increased by
> 5rwhp/year or so).
> >
> > It's not unusual, probably for two reasons: 1) they want to
> guarantee
> > that even the most off-spec car they produce generates the
> power they
> > advertise so nobody can complain, and 2) marketing often
> enters into
> > it (the f-body thing is largely considered to be because
> they didn't
> > want to tell everyone that you could get within 5hp of a vette for
> > half the price [and 400lbs more weight]).
> >
> > Cheers
> > -b
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: James Creasy [mailto:james@thevenom.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 10:14 PM
> > > To: ba-autox@autox.team.net; Jake Hodges
> > > Subject: Re: New MINI Cooper and Cooper S.
> > >
> > >
> > > GRM dyno tested a mini and a mini S and got hp at the wheels that
> > > was pretty close to the published crank figures. its not a
> > > lightweight car so clearly theres been a little monkey
> business with
> > > the figures. two other cars i know had similar
> > > discrepencies: the 1st gen probe GT (rated 145, actual
> 190), and the
> > > supra TT (rated 326, actual 360+).
> > >
> > > -james
> > > OSP - Old Serpent's Pasttime
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jake Hodges" <jake@codeworm.com>
> > > To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:52 PM
> > > Subject: RE: New MINI Cooper and Cooper S.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm curious about your proposal, Rich. Can you share
> > > details? Or did
> > > > you already share details when I had my head under a rock?
> > > >
> > > > And, Peter, flattery will get you nowhere. When you
> look at other
> > > evidence
> > > > regarding both the del Sol and the Mini, it points strongly
> > > to the car
> > > > and not to me. I just barely managed to best Alan in
> my own car
> > > > at Round 17, although I got him by a healthy margin in his
> > > ailing Civic a
> > > > few times after I got race tires. I suspect the final
> > > evidence would
> > > > be Stan's
> > > video
> > > > of my fastest run which shows me ABSing out of control
> and way off
> > > > line in the GGF gravel. Even I could have done much better.
> > > >
> > > > Frankly, I love competing with Stan no matter what he
> brings. He
> > > tolerates
> > > > my swollen head and bad Ali impressions, and Alan verified
> > > that Stan
> > > > was
> > > in
> > > > the coolest movie ever. Alan, on the other hand, has admitted
> > > > considering hitting me on the swollen head with his torque
> > > wrench on
> > > > several occasions. Dan needs to get race tires.
> > > >
> > > > Finally, I wasn't clear on one thing... The curb
> weight of Dan's
> > > > Prelude is 2600 lbs, which his 105hp just makes FEEL like 3700
> > > > lbs.
> > > >
> > > > It's interesting that those specs are so close to what Mini
> > > claims for
> > > > their car. Why is it so much better? A Mini fanatic
> > > coworker made a
> > > > wild claim substantiated only by hearsay that their published
> > > > power specs were at the wheel. It sure FELT more powerful than
> > > my car when
> > > > I was flailing through the slalom.
> > > >
> > > > Jake
> > > >
> > > > By the way, did anyone else see that beautiful launch out of
> > > > Vandenberg tonight? It sure looked like the interceptor was
> > > > successful.
> > > >
> > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~kd6nrp/vafbsked.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 12:10 PM 10/14/2002 -0700, Thana, Peter {High~Palo
> Alto} wrote:
> > > > > >Anyway, for regional-only folks, basing the classes on
> > > nationals is
> > > > > >of limited meaning.
> > > >
> > > > >...
> > > >
> > > > >The current system isn't perfect, but at least it
> tries to base
> > > > >the
> > > handicap
> > > > >on the car. The very top of each class at most national
> > > level events
> > > > >is fought for by drivers who can consistently get
> closer to the
> > > > >potential of the car under the rules as they are written
> > > than you or
> > > > >I could. ...
> > > > >
> > > > >Peter
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