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Re: Stock Shock Chalk Talk

To: kirkm@zeta-idt.com, Anthony Tabacco <atabacco@california.com>,
Subject: Re: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
From: "Pat Kelly" <lollipop487@attbi.com>
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:20:22 -0700
Couldn't the price cap be adjusted to the cost of living index each year? 
Just a suggestion.
--Pat K

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>From: "Kirk Meline" <kirkm@zeta-idt.com>
>To: "Anthony Tabacco" <atabacco@california.com>, <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
>Subject: RE: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
>Date: Thu, Aug 8, 2002, 10:14 AM
>

> Hi Anthony
>
> Your version is definitely much easier to read and understand.  The price
> limit thing is questionable though.  I hope that your kind of thinking could
> be applied to the Street Prepared classes too.  How can I compete with cars
> that have $1500 a corner shocks and struts and have 350rwhp as well as have
> 315 or 335 tires sticking out of the wheel wells.  Those type of race parts
> should be left in the Prepared and Modified classes really.  People might
> complain that it really only makes a small difference in track time.  Add
> all those small changes up and the rich guys have much faster cars.  My two
> cents.
>
> Kirk
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Anthony Tabacco
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:30 AM
> To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> Subject: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
>
>
> The SEB is all over the map on trying to write a revised rule for stock
> shocks. You probably read the distilled draft of the rule in Fast-track last
> issue. While I appreciate the effort, after mighty debate, it has brought
> forth a rule that says that shocks for stock class cars cannot have remote
> reservoirs. This isn't even close to good enough. The debate for all
> practical purposes is dominated and limited to those very few stakeholders
> with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, which means more money
> than everyone else would even consider spending, or that they make their
> living at servicing them. It is not healthy for the sport, but I think they
> were surprised to hear from an "ordinary" member. The response was
> interesting. Someone on the SEB asked me (I think sincerely) for specific
> language. I am proceeding on the premise that a Koni 2800 or a Penske on a
> Stock car is as stupid as R Compounds and that a workable shock rule can be
> centered around restrictions on cost. If you don't agree with that, you need
> to write your own letter because thats where I'm coming from, and here is
> what I have:
>
> "It is the intent of this rule that Stock Class serve as the entry class to
> the sport and that cost containment is of primary importance to that goal.
> Shock absorbers costs are best controlled by limiting shocks to units
> economical enough that outright replacement of a unit is the mandatory
> alternative in lieu of rebuilding.
>
> 1) Shocks shall be limited to one external adjustment, except when OEM.
> 2) Shocks are limited to "off the shelf" units available for general
> distribution street use to the public typically including, but not limited
> to: OEM, Koni single adjustable, Bilstein, Tokiko, KYB, or available "house
> brands", or other such units that meet the criteria and intent of the rule.
> 3) The use of Koni 2800, Olin, Penske, Fox, DMS, or other such units
> specifically manufactured for the specialty racing market are specifically
> disallowed.
> 4) Shocks shall be installed "as manufactured" and shall not be purchased
> from a third party in a modified condition or opened up for any reason by an
> entrant or a third party. Revalving, machining, or modifying a shock
> absorber for any reason is specifically disallowed. Except as supplied as
> OEM, the use of remote reservoirs, alloy bodies, adjustable perches, or
> welded off coil-overs is prohibited.
> 5) Cost of each unit is limited to $250 per unit or 125% of OEM, whichever
> is greater."
>
> So, how close did I came? This gets added to the usual other stuff there.
> Also, if anyone can tell me if the cost item #5 does not work for them (like
> what does a 996 shock cost anyway?) or you can add to the list of
> allowed/dis-allowed, I would appreciate it. The other smoke and mirror thing
> you hear a lot of is enforceability (as though anyone who can get past a
> dipstick couldn't find tons of legal horsepower and tons more of
> undetectable horsepower) so they are worried that the guy in the next pit is
> going to cheat. its just a screen to not change a situation that has evolved
> to the ridiculous.
>
> Be good,
> Tony

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