Like 2.2 has ever been enforced, without the entrant provoking somebody.
My work is done here.
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Barber [mailto:tr6nut@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:06 PM
To: eric@mail.brown911.com; 'Erik Van-der-Mey'; 'National Autocross
Mailing List'
Subject: Rebuttal to Eric Salem's Tantrum
Eric,
...For the record, having checked with the PCA powers that be on the
left coast none are aware of ANY Porsche-only events of an AutoX nature
held in the last few years. They do tell me that like many left coast
car clubs they do cap entries and are sometimes full before the event
day....
Really Eric? Since I posted this to the list at about 10:30 PM your
time and you posted your "tantrum" at 12:14 AM, You are telling us all
that you went out and emailed/woke up your "PCA powers that be on the
left coast" and found this information? Doubtful. Who are these
"powers that be"? Name some so your sources can be checked. Here's the
story: a couple of years ago, I helped a friend install a roll bar and
harness in his 944. As a way of saying "thanks", he took me along to a
couple of PCA autocrosses. I ran fun runs and had a great time There
were no other cars entered except Porsches. And there's nothing wrong
with that. Its the PORSCHE club. A check of the PCA Zone 7 competition
rules at:
http://www.pca.org/zone7/rules/2003_Autocross.pdf
Shows the following text (extracted from the PDF)
2003 Zone 7 Competition Series Rules
Segment II - Autocross Series Competition Regulations
1. Definitions
1.1 Autocross. An autocross is an all-forward-motion skill driving event
with a flying start and finish, in which one car at a time is timed over
a course laid out on a paved area. The course may or may not cross over
itself. 1.2 Slalom. A slalom is the same type of event as an autocross,
except the start and finish points are at two different locations. 1.3
Hillclimb. An event similar to a slalom where the course is made up of
existing public or private roads, with a generally increasing altitude,
and where hazards to the car/driver from off-course deviations usually
are substantially greater than in an autocross or slalom. 1.4 Only
events falling under the definitions of Sections 1.1 or 1.2 shall count
as official events for the Series. 2. Eligibility 2.1 All PCA members in
good standing who hold a valid driver's license for their state and who
have paid their registration fees and have signed all registration forms
and releases will be eligible. (Note: A person must be 18 years of age
to be a member of PCA.) See Awards Section 7 for points and awards
eligibility. Any legitimate prospective regional member shall be allowed
to enter but shall not be eligible to compete for points or placing.
Their results shall be shown at the end of each class in the results.
("Fun Run") 2.2 Any automobile that is manufactured or sold by the
Porsche Factory and for which a class is provided shall be eligible. 2.3
Entrants shall compete only in the car for which they are registered for
the event, and an entrant may only register one car for each event.
2.3.1 A car may be entered by no more than two drivers in any one class,
nor for more than four total drivers. 2.3.2 A car may only be entered in
one category. (See Section 9) 2.3.3 Women entrants may compete in either
the men's or women's classes. However, the class selected at the third
event of the year (or next latest event if the individual did not enter
the third event) will be the class (men's or women's) the woman must
compete in for the rest of the year. 2.4 All cars must successfully pass
the technical inspection before running the event. 2.5 All participants
(drivers, workers, etc.) must sign the Event Release Form. 2.6 Entrants
may be asked for valid PCA Membership Card and valid driver's license at
registration
As you will note, section 2.2 says that its only open to Porsches. I
also talked to my good Friend, Jim Biesemeyer. Jim is a member of the
Golden Gate Chapter, PCA. According to Jim, occasionally, they have
allowed PCA members to take fun runs with non-Porsche cars. But they
have never allowed non-members to do so. So I don't know where or who
you got your info from but its wrong.
...Don't start insulting car clubs and then when called on it encourage
someone to 'take a chill'....
My only mistake there was overestimating your intelligence. It requires
intelligence to recognize humor. I tried to give you the benefit of the
doubt with my follow-up email, but its clear that you're not smart
enough to see it.
...You can defend and document your position....
I think that I just did that (see above)
... you can quitely slink back
into the swamp you came from. Whatever makes you happy....
Now, now, Eric. Any student of geography knows that there are few
swamps in Northern California (by the way, that was a weak attempt at
humor).
...You may even call the PCA the 'big watch, small penis crowd' and on
that front I'd probably agree with you,...
Actually, that never occurred to me. I had not heard that one. Do you
know what is the difference between Porsches and Porcupines?
...but if you want to cite an
exclusionary event let's get some kind of detail to back up the
claim....
I think I just did (above). But its not exclusionary, its the Porsche
Club. Its logical that the Porsche Club would have events for Porsches.
I made a joke. There was no intent to offend. Get over it.
...In summary, either show up in Topeka in September and demonstrate why
the 1200 hundred of us are wrong; especially a certain FP national
champion that AutoX's next to never yet shows up and kicks ass anyway...
I'm not sure how going to the Nationals would "demonstrate why 1200
hundred (did you mean 12 hundred, because 1200 hundred is a whole lot?)
of us are wrong".
....just stop raking the muck....
At this point, I'm just answering your emailed questions concerning my
original post. I'm not sure how doing this is "raking the muck". If you
don't want to talk about this subject, stop replying with questions and
accusations. You have the power.
...so we can go back to arguing about shocks, tires and rules....
Actually the original post was an opinion about the rules. But a
greater issue is "who elected you the arbiter of what can/cannot be
discussed ?" Perhaps you should create a FAQ for the autocross list so
everybody's up to date on what's ok to discuss (by the way, that was an
example of sarcasm).
Have a Good Day,
Hugh
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