>. I think someone in
> Rick's own region has proved the potential of the new Celica. Anyone
beaten
> Mr. Rupp in a Neon?.
Bill Hughes did it at Peru last year. Danny Shileds was faster then EVERY
Celica at Nationals 2000.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillip Osborne" <psosborn@gte.net>
To: "Team.Net" <autox@autox.team.net>
Cc: "Evolution" <evolution-discussions@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: The Dadio Factor NOT!
> I take exception to Rick's analogy. Sorry Rick, no malice intended...His
> reasoning to me for Neons remaining
> in the new D Stock, rather than be placed in the new G Stock, is that
Daddio
> and others
> were able to beat the Type R's and other G Stock, E Stock cars with Neons.
> I don't know how many times
> this happened, and facts related over years passed do not necessarily
reveal
> the whole picture, course, rain, etc. I submit that Dadio, and other top
> Neon drivers, could take the
> same Type R he beat, and win A or B stock with it, given enough
developement
> time. To take a car like the Neon, and say it is directly competitive
with
> a WRX, which has had NO developement time yet in stock form, and a Type R,
> that has development time and being improved every season, and say they
> have the same potential, yet are so different in stock form, is certainly
> not comparing apples to apples. How do you compare an open diff 132/150
> horsepower front driver to a LSD, 195hp car of nearly the same weight?
Look
> at the difference in wheel size, 14x6 vs 16x7.5! Take away the limited
> slip, and the advantage still goes to Type R. And the WRX, with it's 224
hp,
> available 17" wheels, awd, and limited slip, is miles ahead, even with
it's
> relatively heavy curb weight.
> To go a step further, give Daddio a Celica GT, or GTS, and watch him beat
> Type R's with that after a bit of development time. To say that the new
> Celicas
> are not competitive with Neons is a bit of a stretch. I think someone in
> Rick's own region has proved the potential of the new Celica. Anyone
beaten
> Mr. Rupp in a Neon?.
> Neon drivers, you need to present your argument to the SEB, or you will be
> getting whupped big time next year in the new D Stock.
> Phil O.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Cone" <rickcone@bellsouth.net>
> To: <autox@autox.team.net>
> Cc: "Evolution" <evolution-discussions@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:24 PM
> Subject: The Dadio Factor NOT!
>
>
> > I sent this to another person on Team.net....
> >
> > Kinda proof that the Neon has gotten slower because drivers have gotten
> > slower and it needs to get classed where it CAN perform not HAS perfom
> since
> > the Neon money went away.
> >
> > ======================
> >
> > In 97 DS beat ES and GS at every National Tour
> > On average the top 5 drivers in DS beat ES and GS.
> >
> > In 98 from the 3 events on the web...
> > ES won once by 0.6 The other two events 5.5 drivers beat ES
> >
> > In 99 (last year for Neon money)
> > On average the top 4 DS cars beat ES. The closest ES came was .09 in
> > Evansville
> >
> > In 2000 No more Dadio or Neon $$$
> > ES and DS are right on top of each other. The new Celica with little
> > development gets 2 wins.
> >
> > In 2001 ES
> > ES and DS again are close. ES probably being a little better. # of New
> > Celica wins 0
> >
> > Whats all this mean?
> >
> > DS is getting slower, because The cars that are predominantly winning ES
> are
> > cars that have equal if not better development then the Neon (Celica ST,
> > Honda CRX)
> >
> > When the Neon was beating HS and ES it was more then just Daddio doing
it.
> > Typically the top 5 or 6 in DS were doing it.
> >
> > The car has the potential to dominate the class. It has before in the
> past
> > if you work the numbers. Therefore it should stay in DS.
> >
> > Rick
> >
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