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Re: Tigers United wishlist . . .

To: SJC Worldwide <ssage@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Tigers United wishlist . . .
From: sosnaenergyconsulting@home.com
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:07:20 -0700
Jane:
A reasoned, well thought out response!
So, is there an approximate timeframe yet (month, week)?  I've got some
long-range stuff planned for next summer, and I really want to be at the
United too!!!

Regards

David Sosna

SJC Worldwide wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone:
> 
> As someone who has chaired (along with husband Steve), a Tigers United event, 
>I
> would like to answer some of the comments that have been offered. These are 
>all
> valid and in an ideal world and the perfect venue with a lot of  time 
>available
> and unlimited budget they could probably happen.  But, this is not the case.  
>My
> answers are offered only as an explanation and are not meant to be critical.
> Furthermore, those of us that work year after year at putting together these
> events could use some new suggestions and volunteers. I apologize in advance 
>if
> this information is redundant to any of the members of the list.
> 
> The West Coast Tigers United has been mostly alternating between STOA and CAT
> for many years. By tradition, the center piece of the event is the awarding of
> the Lord Rootes trophy to a Tiger.  The scores to award this trophy are from 5
> events that must be held: Concours, Rallye, Quiz, Most Popular Vote and
> Autocross.  This all must take place within a 2-3 day period and includes
> registration, banquets, lunches, parts swap, set up, tabulation of scores, 
>etc.,
> etc., etc.,  There is an incredible amount of detail that goes into it and 
>could
> not be done without the volunteer help of many members who do this in addition
> to living their normal lives.  Also, the event must pay for itself and in 
>order
> to make it feasible for members to attend we try to keep the costs reasonable,
> therefore the budget is tight.
> 
> 1. I have forgotten what the altitude is at Mammoth, but not too many people 
>had
> problems in 1990.  Big Bear was ok and it certainly was not as bad as SUNI I 
>at
> Snowmass in 1989.  Just a little jetting adjustment if necessary....and for 
>the
> couple of owners that have gone to fuel injection, so much the better.
> 
> 2. Concours. I have not seen the Shelby Club or SAAC judging and therefore
> cannot comment on them. But we only have one half to two thirds of a day to 
>put
> it on.  The event would just not be able to afford paying professional judges
> and there are too many cars to spend that much time.  It is incredibly 
>difficult
> to get people to "volunteer" to judge (Steve Alcala bribed people with a pizza
> dinner at Big Bear), much less chair the concours. And chairing includes 
>writing
> the concours forms, tabulation, answering questions, etc., etc., etc.  Also,
> again by tradition, the concours has been open to all Tigers whether they are
> Stock, Personalized or Modified. The concours judging and scoring is suppose 
>to
> take these differences into account so that the final tabulation for the Lord
> Rootes trophy is as fair as possible. Maybe a good compromise would be to
> publish the concours criteria 4 months in advance, but that is just a
> suggestion.
> 
> 3. STOA sponsored events usually are only Tiger oriented and TAC is required 
>for
> trophies.  CAT sponsored events are a little more open and usually other 
>Rootes
> cars are welcome with separate class and trophies for them.  They do not 
>compete
> with Tigers in Concours or Autocross and are not eligible for Lord Rootes. As
> far as TAC requirement is concerned, that will be up to this year's chairman,
> Bill Graff and CAT.  I remember at Big Bear that although we did not require 
>TAC
> we did request that only original Tigers should compete for Tiger trophies.
> 
> 4.  I believe that TAC does offer classes on a limited basis and you should
> probably contact Tom Hall if you are interested.
> 
> Tigers United has been a very traditional, wonderful event. It came about 
>almost
> 30 years ago and took on this form with the help of Ian Garrad. It is 
>generally
> an informal opportunity for owners to have a perfect car weekend where it is 
>all
> you talk about with like-minded people. That is not to say that it isn't time 
>to
> look at making some changes and I believe that some fresh opinions and
> VOLUNTEERISM would be appreciated.  Sorry for yelling that word, but I think
> everyone will get my point.
> 
> Regards,
> Jane Sage
> 
> Tim Jordan wrote:
> 
> > Dave,
> >
> > Add to your wishlist:

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