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Dave Massey wrote:
>If the tube were not connected to that port, yes. On my car there is a fo=
ur-way T that connects this port >and the ports at each end of the tank to =
a tube that leads to the vapor separator in the trunk which is in >turn con=
nected to a tube leading to the charcoal canister.
>>>>>But it looks like they changed the configuration over the years.
My response really concentrates on Dave=E2=80=99s last sentence and at the =
risk of a little verbosity (intended to clarify) this is how it often was f=
or North American spec cars built outside the US and classified as imports.=
Let=E2=80=99s take for example a car that would be the current model on 1st=
Jan 1970 and on sale in the destination market as at that date.
The Federal Bureau of Vehicle Safety Standards (or whatever it called itsel=
f in the days before the internet or mobile phones/faxes and when we still =
used carbon paper) would give overseas manufacturers selling cars in the US=
, an outline of the *likely* changes that would be current for the next mod=
el year. This info was usually made available to us by end January 1969 wit=
h the rider that they would not be final until authorised by the FBVSS in l=
ate June/early July 1969.
So the vehicle manufacturers went balls out to build/modify cars for the ne=
xt sales year with all the modifications the anticipated legislation would =
require =E2=80=93 including the wording, font size, whatever of sticky labe=
ls to be placed wherever. There was something of a frenzy is the emission r=
egs for California** were due to be tightened up even further and everyone =
crossed their legs and fingers that the current engine range would meet req=
uirements.
At mid-summer 1969, FBVSS would confirm specs for 1970. Sometimes, they del=
eted a requirement =E2=80=93 and sometimes pitched in a =E2=80=98naughty=E2=
=80=99 they hadn=E2=80=99t indicated earlier. Mixed sighs of relief and =E2=
=80=9Coh s**t=E2=80=9D moments.
Five models of each car are built to the 1970 spec and shipped (often airfr=
eighted) to the States for FBVSS evaluation and rubber-stamping so that the=
models can be sold next year. By now, we=E2=80=99re mid to end August 1969=
=2E If everything is OK=E2=80=99d or nodded through, everything goes beserk=
in Coventry to build and ship the cars required to be in the US for Jan 1,=
1970. Usually, the quantities were to meet a six week stock depth across t=
he US and to achieve this, often meant vehicle to all other world markets s=
topped. Then when it re-commenced, there were all the other changes those o=
ther 150 odd world markets wanted included as well. Then, for good measure,=
a few wildcards might get thrown in the works like a supplier strike or do=
ck workers strike and everything stopped. Then flat out again to clear the =
backlog.
I was having an informal chat some years ago with the late Mike Cook about =
this whole shenanigans and he confirmed that Detroit always got preferentia=
l treatment by receiving outline and confirmed specs for the next model yea=
r a good six months earlier than everyone else =E2=80=93 i.e. the imported =
stuff. Good capitalist protectionism=F0=9F=98=8A
To make matters worse, the standards for Detroit product and Joe Soap=E2=80=
=99s imported product were nearly always different inasmuch as the imports =
had a harder job to meet the specs in terms of what they were (i.e. we were=
expected to do more than Detroit) and six months less time in which to do =
it. Frankly, I think it=E2=80=99s amazing we ever sold anything at all and =
of all the European manufacturers who moaned and bellyached about the extra=
work, Volkswagen were the worst by far.
Jonmac
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 9:39 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation
Does this vent placing in the filler neck let gas fumes escape into the tru=
nk area? Which would also mean fumes could creep into the car's interior...=
Dick
assey@cs.com> > wrote:
No, not all. The 71 has a port in the filler tube connected to the cap. R=
otating the cap will reposition that tap and necessitate changing the plumb=
ing. I thought they were all that way.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation
On my fuel cap, it's neck that goes down into the clamped hose, can be move=
d around independent of the vent tube on the top of the tank. Aren't they a=
ll?
I gill my tank from standing behind the bumper so which side left or right =
the cap opens is immaterial.
Dick
On Nov 3, 2019, at 2:34 PM, DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net <m=
ailto:6pack@autox.team.net> > wrote:
It's not that trivial since the tank vent nipple is mounted to the filler a=
nd spinning it around will require replumbing the vent tubes. If you wish =
to avoid that step check where it was before and go from there. On my car =
it is hinged on the right.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
eam.net> >
Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 10:50 am
Subject: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation
Hello friends,
If you've followed any of the work on my '75 US specification TR6 you wi=
ll know that the following question is probably irrelevant...but I ask anyw=
ay, for your sage advice:
When reinstalling the fuel filler cap, which is the correct orientation? Hi=
nge side toward the front. Or rear? Or to one side or another?
Thanks in advance of your reply.
Rick
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" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Dave Mass=
ey wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>><span style=3D'color:black'>If=
the tube were not connected to that port, yes. On my car there is a =
four-way T that connects this port </span>><span style=3D'color:black'>a=
nd the ports at each end of the tank to a tube that leads to the vapor sepa=
rator in the trunk which is in </span>><span style=3D'color:black'>turn =
connected to a tube leading to the charcoal canister.<o:p></o:p></span></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial=
",sans-serif'>>>>>><span style=3D'color:black'>But it looks =
like they changed the configuration over the years.</span><o:p></o:p></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span s=
tyle=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=
=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>My response really con=
centrates on Dave=E2=80=99s last sentence and at the risk of a little verbo=
sity (intended to clarify) this is how it often was for North American spec=
cars built outside the US and classified as imports.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Let=E2=80=99s take for example a c=
ar that would be the current model on 1<sup>st</sup> Jan 1970 and on sale i=
n the destination market as at that date.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;fon=
t-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The Federal Bureau of Vehicle Safety Standards=
(or whatever it called itself in the days before the internet or mobile ph=
ones/faxes and when we still used carbon paper) would give overseas manufac=
turers selling cars in the US, an outline of the *<b>likely</b>* changes th=
at would be current for the next model year. This info was usually made ava=
ilable to us by <b>end January 1969</b> with the rider that they would not =
be final until authorised by the FBVSS in <b>late June/early July 1969</b>.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><=
span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>So the vehic=
le manufacturers went balls out to build/modify cars for the next sales yea=
r with all the modifications the anticipated legislation would require =E2=
=80=93 including the wording, font size, whatever of sticky labels to be pl=
aced wherever. There was something of a frenzy is the emission regs for Cal=
ifornia** were due to be tightened up even further and everyone crossed the=
ir legs and fingers that the current engine range would meet requirements.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>At mid-summer=
1969, FBVSS would confirm specs for 1970. Sometimes, they deleted a requir=
ement =E2=80=93 and sometimes pitched in a =E2=80=98naughty=E2=80=99 they h=
adn=E2=80=99t indicated earlier. Mixed sighs of relief and =E2=80=9Coh s**t=
=E2=80=9D moments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margi=
n-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif'>Five models of each car are built to the 1970 spec and shipped (often=
airfreighted) to the States for FBVSS evaluation and rubber-stamping so th=
at the models can be sold next year. By now, we=E2=80=99re <b>mid to end Au=
gust 1969</b>. If everything is OK=E2=80=99d or nodded through, everything =
goes beserk in Coventry to build and ship the cars required to be in the US=
for <b>Jan 1, 1970</b>. Usually, the quantities were to meet a six week st=
ock depth across the US and to achieve this, often meant vehicle to all oth=
er world markets stopped. Then when it re-commenced, there were all the oth=
er changes those other 150 odd world markets wanted included as well. Then,=
for good measure, a few wildcards might get thrown in the works like a sup=
plier strike or dock workers strike and everything stopped. Then flat out a=
gain to clear the backlog.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Aria=
l",sans-serif'>I was having an informal chat some years ago with the late M=
ike Cook about this whole shenanigans and he confirmed that Detroit always =
got preferential treatment by receiving outline and confirmed specs for the=
next model year a good six months <b><u>earlier</u></b> than everyone else=
=E2=80=93 i.e. the imported stuff. Good capitalist protectionism</span><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>€=
522;</span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>=
<span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To make mat=
ters worse, the standards for Detroit product and Joe Soap=E2=80=99s import=
ed product were nearly always different inasmuch as the imports had a harde=
r job to meet the specs in terms of what they were (i.e. we were expected t=
o do more than Detroit) and six months less time in which to do it. Frankly=
, I think it=E2=80=99s amazing we ever sold anything at all and of all the =
European manufacturers who moaned and bellyached about the extra work, Volk=
swagen were the worst by far.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'=
margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif'>Jonmac<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin=
-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:black'> </span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial=
",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:b=
lack'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:=
12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;colo=
r:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Richard <<a href=3D"mailto:=
taylorturbo6@yahoo.com">taylorturbo6@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: DAVID MASSEY =
<<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>><br>Cc:=
richardolindsay <<a href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";>richardol=
indsay@gmail.com</a>>; 6pack <<a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"=
>6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 9:39 pm<br>Subject:=
Re: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv2885=
904057><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Does this vent placing in the filler=
neck let gas fumes escape into the trunk area? Which would also mean fumes=
could creep into the car's interior...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-=
serif;color:black'>Dick<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3Dyiv2885904057y=
qt45614><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br>On No=
v 3, 2019, at 6:47 PM, DAVID MASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.co=
m">dave1massey@cs.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote=
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;col=
or:black'>No, not all. The 71 has a port in the filler tube connected=
to the cap. Rotating the cap will reposition that tap and necessitat=
e changing the plumbing. I thought they were all that way.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'=
font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dave </span><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>-----Original Mess=
age-----<br>From: Richard <<a href=3D"mailto:taylorturbo6@yahoo.com";>tay=
lorturbo6@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: DAVID MASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto:dave1=
massey@cs.com">dave1massey@cs.com</a>><br>Cc: richardolindsay <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";>richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>>; 6=
pack <<a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t;<br>Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 6:05 pm<br>Subject: Re: [6pack] Fuel filler or=
ientation<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv2885904057><div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif=
;color:black'>On my fuel cap, it's neck that goes down into the clamped hos=
e, can be moved around independent of the vent tube on the top of the tank.=
Aren't they all? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blac=
k'>I gill my tank from standing behind the bumper so which side left or rig=
ht the cap opens is immaterial. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:black'>Dick <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3Dyiv2885904=
057yqt64369><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br>O=
n Nov 3, 2019, at 2:34 PM, DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <<a href=3D"mailto:6pa=
ck@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al",sans-serif;color:black'>It's not that trivial since the tank vent nippl=
e is mounted to the filler and spinning it around will require replumbing t=
he vent tubes. If you wish to avoid that step check where it was befo=
re and go from there. On my car it is hinged on the right.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'=
font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dave </span><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>-----Original Mess=
age-----<br>From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <<a href=3D"mailto:6pack@aut=
ox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br>To: TR6 <<a href=3D"mailto:=
6pack@autox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 201=
9 10:50 am<br>Subject: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><div id=3Dyiv2885904057><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hello friends, <o=
:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> If you've follo=
wed any of the work on my '75 US specification TR6 you will know that the f=
ollowing question is probably irrelevant...but I ask anyway, for your sage =
advice:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>When reinstalling the fuel =
filler cap, which is the correct orientation? Hinge side toward the front. =
Or rear? Or to one side or another?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-seri=
f;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'=
> Thanks in advance of your reply.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial=
",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
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