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1. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: "Neil" <neil@sherry02.freeserve.co.uk>; Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 23:14:12 +0100; As a UK resident who has occassionally meddled wih electrics... Our power is not 2x120 volt - we get a single phase 240 volt which is part of the full three phase generated and transmitted. (our thre; /html/shop-talk/2005-05/msg00004.html (8,400 bytes)
2. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: scott.hall@comcast.net; Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 02:37:17 +0000; I wouldn't be even close to the electrician of the list, but I did read a fine homebuilding a few months back that talked about an older type of wiring that used the sheithing as a ground. maybe sinc; /html/shop-talk/2005-05/msg00006.html (7,995 bytes)
3. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: Trevor Boicey <tboicey@brit.ca>; Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 23:27:27 -0400; This is where you'd need the real applicable code for your area, but there is an important distinction to be made for wiring types that you might find in the field versus what is legal (and safe) to; /html/shop-talk/2005-05/msg00007.html (7,525 bytes)
4. quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: Mike Rambour <mikey@b2systems.com>; Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:13:42 -0700; I have to redo my bathroom and this old house is wired with 2 wire plugs everywhere and no grounds. Plans are to rewire the house someday in the not distant future but right now termites have me doin; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00019.html (8,412 bytes)
5. RE: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: "Randall" <tr3driver@comcast.net>; Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:44:10 -0700; Only problem I see is that water pipes aren't always a reliable ground. If the house has been partially replumbed with copper (or will be in the future), it's routine to put insulators between iron; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00020.html (8,151 bytes)
6. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: "Trevor Boicey" <tboicey@brit.ca>; Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:12:09 -0400 (EDT); Pretty much, no. It wouldn't be a reliable ground, as already mentioned... However, one of the basic tenets of recent electrical wiring is that all the conductors have to run together. It limits the; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00021.html (9,278 bytes)
7. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: Pat Horne <pjhorne@mail.utexas.edu>; Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:31:10 -0500; I agree with Randall. There is no guarantee that the copper plumbing is now, and will always be grounded. PVC pope is also used to replace/modify copper and/or iron pipe systems all the time. Whether; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00022.html (9,358 bytes)
8. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: Dave & Marlene <rusd@velocitus.net>; Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:42:53 -0600; I agree with Pat, At least in my state, a GFCI is an acceptable way of connecting a three terminal receptacle to a two wire system without ground. There is also a way to chain several more three wire; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00023.html (10,031 bytes)
9. RE: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: "Randall" <tr3driver@comcast.net>; Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:02:40 -0700; Wow. I had no idea that was permitted ... but it appears you are right. Kinda bugs me ... a GFCI so connected will not detect a short from hot to housing until you touch it and complete the circuit; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00024.html (8,609 bytes)
10. RE: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: "Rich White" <rlwhitetr3b@hotmail.com>; Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:21:50 -0500; When I was taking industrial electricity classes, one of the instructors told a story of when the GFCI devices was first introduced. The way I remember the story, the company had a display at a trad; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00025.html (8,480 bytes)
11. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: Mike Rambour <mikey@b2systems.com>; Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:34:17 -0700; Well my copper water pipes come out of the slab so I assumed it would always be grounded since I would put the wire near the slab BUT I have read up on the CFGI and I can hook up the 3prong CFGI on 2; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00026.html (9,124 bytes)
12. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: Pat Horne <pjhorne@mail.utexas.edu>; Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:55:47 -0500; I'm sure you can chain additional receptacles on a GFCI if it has its ground connected, but I seem to remember that it can't be done if the ground isn't hooked up. I don't have information on it han; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00027.html (8,752 bytes)
13. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: Rush <jdrush@enter.net>; Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:26:50 -0400; My former "investment" property had a mix of two and three wire installed even though it had modern breakers install. I can only think the PO installed the box himself to get away with that. Anyway,; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00028.html (9,362 bytes)
14. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: Eric@megageek.com; Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:23:29 -0400; Funny note about "codes." In Iraq, it's common that there is no bath tub and you just use part of the bathroom as the shower (everything is tiled). In the building I'm in now, there is a bath tub, bu; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00029.html (8,834 bytes)
15. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: "Timothy R. Hoerning" <hoerni@cooper.edu>; Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:09:33 -0400 (EDT); I've been following this thread but I'm still a bit confused. What is the house currently wired with? Is it BX? I thought BX used the shield for ground. Or is it something older than that? My house w; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00030.html (9,983 bytes)
16. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: Mike Rambour <mikey@b2systems.com>; Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:46:02 -0700; I would not know BX from BS so let me describe it differently...it looks like 2 wire romex but its kind of a fabric covering, NOT on the wires themselves that is normal vinyl just the sleeve that ho; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00031.html (10,519 bytes)
17. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: Trevor Boicey <tboicey@brit.ca>; Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:24:48 -0400; I am far from the final authority, or any authority at all. ...but I'd be very curious to see if any application allowed the use of the BX shield as a ground. (and a bit surprised I guess... it sound; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00032.html (10,017 bytes)
18. RE: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: "Ron Schmittou" <rs1121@earthlink.net>; Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:49:33 -0500; I have never really understood the mania on this third wire or "Ground" wire in the US since 99.9% of all electrical panels have the supposedly "Neutral" wire and the "ground" wire connect to the sam; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00033.html (10,768 bytes)
19. RE: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: "Randall" <tr3driver@comcast.net>; Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:25:51 -0700; Well, consider what happens if you have an appliance with a metal housing, connected to safety ground, and the neutral (power carrying) conductor has a break in it. With a separate safety ground, th; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00034.html (10,914 bytes)
20. Re: quickie elect. question (score: 1): Author: Trevor Boicey <tboicey@brit.ca>; Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:31:08 -0400; Wow. Do NOT do this. Although the original description is partially correct, in that the white and ground wires are connected, they are connected PRECISELY one time and only inside the panel. (ie: th; /html/shop-talk/2005-04/msg00035.html (12,289 bytes)

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