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1. Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: LBC286@aol.com; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:37:38 EST; My son and I started putting in the water pipes to the new kitchen sink in my new house. I am NOT a plumber! My son has sweated a few pipes, but he ain't the greatest either. I can't imagine this is; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00022.html (8,141 bytes)
2. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: Martin <martin@virtual-motors.com>; Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:26:46 -0600; You have more courage than I have. I use compression fittings and/or pvc pipe inside the house in enclosed spaces. I'm afraid of burning down the house with the torch. I only sweat pipes under the ho; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00025.html (8,898 bytes)
3. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: Martin Scarr <martins@efn.org>; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:43:58 -0800 (PST); Sounds like you're not getting the valves hot enough to flow the solder. Are you using MAPP gas or just a propane torch? Valves need a lot more heat than just piping to flow the solder. Yes, it is. L; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00027.html (8,828 bytes)
4. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: "Stan Fickes" <fickes@acm.org>; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:01:13 -0500; I sweated many brass ball valves into my plumbing when I redid the house. (it used to be a mix of copper, iron and lead) Had no problems, but made sure to use a steel brush cleaner (looks like a car; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00029.html (9,240 bytes)
5. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: LBC286@aol.com; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:19:52 EST; - - - - - - - - - - - Burning down the house? I wasn't planning on using THAT much heat! Actually, the sink is not installed yet and the hole is cut, so there is plenty of access. We are using screw-; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00030.html (8,675 bytes)
6. RE: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: "Gerald Brazil" <gerrybraz@voyager.net>; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:27:54 -0500; One other thing to remember,,,because you have to heat the shutoff valve get the solder to flow you should remove the whole valve assembly while you are soldering. There are two reasons, A) you reduc; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00031.html (8,302 bytes)
7. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: LBC286@aol.com; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:43:16 EST; - - - - - - - - - - - - - Well, there are no angles. The riser comes straight up from the basement. It is now a vendetta, so I want to show the torch who is boss! If this goes until Saturday, I will; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00032.html (8,816 bytes)
8. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: LBC286@aol.com; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:43:12 EST; We have the steel brush and sandpaper and cleaned everything well. Water in the pipe is not a problem. We are assembling the riser first (outside), then we will stick the end thru the bottom of the c; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00033.html (9,737 bytes)
9. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: "Stan Fickes" <fickes@acm.org>; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:49:11 -0500; Well, I don't know if it's approved, but I've just got a MAPP cylinder on my propane torch head. Works fine for me, no black smoke or anything else that would indicate a problem. sf -- Original Messa; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00035.html (8,603 bytes)
10. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: Randall <randallyoung@earthlink.net>; Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:15:56 -0800; The lead-free solder used for plumbing these days takes a special flux (or at least works better with it), and still does not 'wick' into joints as easily as the old tin/lead stuff. It may not be exa; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00036.html (9,247 bytes)
11. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: Jim Franklin <jamesf@bayarea.net>; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:52:06 -0800; The only thing I've ever run into is dirty fittings. Did you buy the wire brush cleaners and scrape the two fittings until they're shiny, and then not touch them? Also, I found 5% Antimony solder to; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00038.html (9,121 bytes)
12. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: Brian Reynolds <reynolds@ll.mit.edu>; Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 16:08:24 -0500; I ran into a similar problem once. I had turned off the water supply But I did not drain the water from the pipe. The water left in the pipe didn't let the fitting get hot enough. I was able to solde; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00045.html (8,755 bytes)
13. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: Donald H Locker <dhl@chelseamsl.com>; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:18:09 -0500 (EST); Tip -- assemble the pieces, then heat the heavier piece until the solder will melt on the cooler side (away from the heat) of the lighter piece right near the junction. As soon as this happens, you s; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00046.html (9,800 bytes)
14. RE: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: "Larry Hoy" <larryhoy@Prodigy.Net>; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:36:38 -0700; If your problem is as Brian has speculated, here's a suggestion. This is a plumber's trick. Stuff bread up the pipe to separate the water from the solder joint. After the soldering is done and the wa; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00047.html (8,822 bytes)
15. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: LBC286@aol.com; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:55:21 EST; - - - - - - - - - - I think I mentioned in a later post that I am assembling the riser pipes out of the house. These pieces have never had water in them, they are all new stock. That isn't the proble; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00049.html (8,556 bytes)
16. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: "Phil Ethier" <pethier@isd.net>; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:41:30 -0600; The actually sell jelly-bean-shaped plugs for this purpose. After you are done, run the torch in the area of the plug. The skin will break down in the water and the whole thing will disolve and flow; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00059.html (8,520 bytes)
17. Re: Plumbing question #1 (score: 1): Author: "Phil Ethier" <pethier@isd.net>; Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:38:08 -0600; pipe I'd suggest flare fittings instead. They are good enough to pass muster for gas. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Suburban, 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L; /html/shop-talk/2001-12/msg00061.html (8,320 bytes)

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