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21. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: Michael Porter <mdporter@dfn.com>; Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:20:55 -0700; Umm, that little thing known as kinetic energy? If you're going sixty, the brakes can dissipate that energy reasonably quickly as heat--as long as there's no additional energy being added. However, i; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00046.html (9,907 bytes)
22. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: "Tony Vaccaro" <tvacc@lotusowners.com>; Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:26:22 -0500; It seems to me that it would be easy to put a circuit in the cars computer that would override the dbw pedal if it sensed that the throttle was more than 1/4 down (or something like that) and the bra; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00047.html (11,705 bytes)
23. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: "Randall" <tr3driver@ca.rr.com>; Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:17:37 -0800; And in fact, that is (quietly) part of the Toyota recall campaign. With any luck, it will actually solve the problem without them ever admitting it was anything more than floor mats and defective, A; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00048.html (9,683 bytes)
24. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: Michael Porter <mdporter@dfn.com>; Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:38:34 -0700; Oops, sorry, forgot it's a mean value. Should be: e_sub_k=1/2 * m * v-squared Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... ___; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00049.html (9,435 bytes)
25. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: David Hillman <hillman@planet-torque.com>; Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:38:51 -0500 (EST); There seem to be a bunch of different scenarios getting confused here. Some people, like Michael, are talking about a situation where the engine is running wide-open. Maybe it's me, but that seems hi; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00050.html (11,581 bytes)
26. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: Ben Zwissler <bjzwissler@gmail.com>; Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:44:01 -0500; According to a story I heard on NPR, many manufacturer's do just that (noted were GM and Chrysler). Toyota and Honda were cited as having decided not to include a throttle override when the brakes we; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00051.html (13,693 bytes)
27. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com>; Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:25:56 -0500; Except, of course, that the toyotas involved have electronic throttles. There are, at least, *three* different re-callable problems with the cars. One is that the pedal can become physically stuck by; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00052.html (13,545 bytes)
28. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: Michael Porter <mdporter@dfn.com>; Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:42:29 -0700; And yet, contrary to your own experience, people have found themselves with stuck throttles in Toyotas, careening down the highway at ~ 100 mph, the brakes burned out or useless. One does have to sta; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00053.html (10,327 bytes)
29. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>; Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:48:59 -0700; You're thinking old school, where the controls are mechanically or electricly directly attached to the devices they are supposed to control. Open the pod bay doors, HAL.. mjb. ______________________; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00054.html (8,802 bytes)
30. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: Mark Andy <marka@maracing.com>; Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:51:10 -0500 (EST); I have no idea if the equation is right or applies, but I can 100% say that the brakes will overpower the engine at WOT, since that's recently been tested in response to this issue: http://www.caran; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00055.html (9,808 bytes)
31. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: David Hillman <hillman@planet-torque.com>; Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:00:25 -0500 (EST); I'm not a man of faith, so I tried it on my way home tonight. Reports of the demise of brakes have been greatly exaggerated. I was cruising at 55mph ( in my 5.4 F150, very similar in specification to; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00056.html (10,463 bytes)
32. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: David Hillman <hillman@planet-torque.com>; Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:11:54 -0500 (EST); You believe your "known facts", I'll believe mine. "Hit the Brakes Certainly the most natural reaction to a stuck-throttle emergency is to stomp on the brake pedal, possibly with both feet. And despi; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00057.html (9,848 bytes)
33. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: Doug Braun <doug@dougbraun.com>; Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:28:37 -0800 (PST); It would presumably work if you stopped QUIICKLY and COMPLETELY. But if slowed down to, say 30 MPH, and maintained that speed, you would have the engine in a low gear (assuming an automatic transmiss; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00058.html (9,288 bytes)
34. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: Chad on LEG <chad@linuxeg.com>; Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:50:57 -0500; ... and the computer is not hosed up. I once heard said "A program with no bugs hasn't been thoroughly debugged". chad -- "The atom bomb was no 'great decision.' It was merely another powerful weapon; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00059.html (7,926 bytes)
35. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: eric@megageek.com; Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 07:56:17 +0430; Tim writes... Like I stated earlier, I have no love loss for Toyota. I would love to see their sales fall. With that, I do COMMEND them on a broad reaching recall. With any automaker, I would rather; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00060.html (10,284 bytes)
36. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: Michael Porter <mdporter@dfn.com>; Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:35:53 -0700; Well, there's a lot of apples and oranges comparisons being made. Arguments for this being entirely driver error are depending on personal experiences, or tests with other makes, or straight-line tes; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00061.html (10,443 bytes)
37. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: eric@megageek.com; Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:48:06 +0430; Chad writes... Not bad, but I would rather them watch War Games! "Just turn it off! Hell, I'd piss on the spark plugs if it would do any good!" (great line!) Moose "Be as beneficent as the sun or the; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00063.html (9,611 bytes)
38. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: eric@megageek.com; Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:54:27 +0430; David asks... David, that is what happens in the 1000s of cases where people aren't dying. If you notice, most of the fatalities left no time for that. (they guy that was in a parking lot and his car; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00064.html (9,801 bytes)
39. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: eric@megageek.com; Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:11:03 +0430; David writes... the No surprise there. I have found that Toyota has been scummy in just about every portion of business. Just look at their commercials, you'll see they are targeting the people that; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00065.html (9,578 bytes)
40. Re: [Shop-talk] Toyota Pedal Brouhaha (score: 1): Author: eric@megageek.com; Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:34:50 +0430; David writes... other Thanks for the test and the amusing post on it. But you left out the one major factor of the problem. Your Ford is not part of the recall. That is the problem. It's these vehicl; /html/shop-talk/2010-02/msg00066.html (9,700 bytes)

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