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1. [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: David Hillman <hillman@planet-torque.com>; Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:08:21 -0500 (EST); I'm sort-of shopping for my wife's next car, and have recently learned that two of the would-be candidates feature this insane method of wheel attachment called the 'lug bolt'. Now, I had a Alfa year; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00271.html (8,106 bytes)
2. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: Steven Trovato <strovato@optonline.net>; Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:13:43 -0500; So, what's the big problem with these that would make you react so strongly? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Shop-talk mailing list ht; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00272.html (7,515 bytes)
3. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: Wayne <wmc_st@xxiii.com>; Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:18:33 -0500; No idea "why". A lady co-worker just bought a [BMW] Mini Cooper for a "winter car" after I informed her they were FWD. But it came with summer-only run-flats. So she (we) just bought a winter wheel &; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00273.html (8,262 bytes)
4. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>; Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:41:15 -0800; Just a SWAG: Maybe the bolts are torque-to-yield, or close to it, and can/should be replaced fairly often (certainly easier than replacing studs). I always wondered about studs that are torqued/stret; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00274.html (8,904 bytes)
5. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>; Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:43:14 -0800; Came across this: http://www.boltscience.com/pages/failure4.htm bs -- ** Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net '67 Austin-Healey 3000 '56 Austin-Healey 100M ** _______________________________; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00275.html (8,788 bytes)
6. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: "Jack Brooks" <jibjib@att.net>; Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:54:29 -0800; My Volvo XC90, with it's massive wheels take bolts. Once you change them a few times you get the hang of it and it's not bad. I've debated taking a matching bolt and grinding down the head end to mak; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00276.html (9,311 bytes)
7. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: "Bob Kegel" <bobkegel@seanet.com>; Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:20:17 -0800; Bob Kegel Aberdeen, WA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Shop-talk mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk http:/; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00278.html (7,976 bytes)
8. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: "David Scheidt" <dmscheidt@gmail.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:26:59 -0500; $25 a pop is a bit steep! I think I paid 2 bucks a piece for the bolts I made mine out of, plus a couple minutes work to cut the heads off, slot them, and round them off. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@g; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00279.html (8,201 bytes)
9. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: "Jack Brooks" <jibjib@att.net>; Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:27:09 -0800; I like my $5 bolt and a few minutes with a grinder idea, better than a $25 store bought pin. Jack --Original Message-- From: shop-talk-bounces+jibjib=att.net@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces+; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00280.html (8,574 bytes)
10. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: Mike Rambour <mikey@b2systems.com>; Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:39:43 -0800; well everyone knows a real car has knock-offs :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Rambour Bug Writer err...Programmer mikey@b2systems.com ** If you want to learn more about the; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00281.html (8,272 bytes)
11. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: "Nolan" <foxtrapper@aceweb.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:40:50 -0500; I've had vehicles with lug bolts, never found it to be that big a deal. With the cars, just sit on the ground and use my two feet to hold the wheel up and position it. No problem. With the tractors,; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00282.html (8,988 bytes)
12. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: Pat Horne <roadsters@hornesystemstx.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:14:17 -0600; My guess is that is just that many fewer parts needed to put the car together, since the holes are tapped into the hub. Save $0.002 per car and you make a bunch of $$ overall. Peace, Pat Thusly spake; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00283.html (9,497 bytes)
13. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:53:16 -0500 (EST); I'm no particular fan of lug bolts, but its pretty easy to convert to standard studs/nuts. I wouldn't let that stop me from buying a car I wanted otherwise. The only advantage I can think of with lu; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00284.html (9,472 bytes)
14. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:56:03 -0500 (EST); Changing tires, like you'd do a lot at an autox, is a PITA since the wheel easily falls to the ground instead of being held generally in place by the studs. Plus its a bit harder to line up the whee; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00285.html (7,982 bytes)
15. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: David Hillman <hillman@planet-torque.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:34:43 -0500 (EST); It's just a bad design. And it's a bad design that someone went through the trouble of coming up with, to replace a better design. For example, let's say that someone came out with a new design for a; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00286.html (9,585 bytes)
16. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: David Hillman <hillman@planet-torque.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:44:34 -0500 (EST); Do you? Even on something like my F150, the best selling vehicle in the country at around 1M units annually, $0.002 adds up to a whopping $2,000 annual savings. That's not enough to pay for someone t; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00287.html (9,429 bytes)
17. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:45:09 -0500 (EST); I think its pretty rare that a car company actually designs something poorly, once you understand the motivations behind stuff. As you say, lug studs have been around forever, so if they're using lu; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00288.html (10,621 bytes)
18. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: "Nolan" <foxtrapper@aceweb.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:56:41 -0500; Nope. Wheel bolts predate the later use of a stud and nut. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Shop-talk mailing list http://autox.team.n; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00289.html (8,951 bytes)
19. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: "David Scheidt" <dmscheidt@gmail.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:57:46 -0500; The reason they do this is that it makes the wheels concentric to the wheel bearing. That means less wear on the bearing, less vibration at speed, better braking and steering performance. There's a r; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00290.html (10,715 bytes)
20. Re: [Shop-talk] Lug Bolts? (score: 1): Author: John Miller <jem@milleredp.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:17:51 -0800; Bolts are easier to replace if the threads are damaged. And it's easier to swap back and forth between wheels of different hub thicknesses. The downside is that if the threads are damaged IN THE HUB; /html/shop-talk/2007-12/msg00291.html (9,633 bytes)

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