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1. Classing changes (score: 1): Author: "Glen E. Thompson" <glen.thompson@worldnet.att.net>; Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:13:46 -0400; In July's Fastrack there were some class changes that brought a question. It lists the Ford Contour as being in ESP. Is this for a street prepared Contour SVT or for a stock Contour SVT? I ask becaus; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00234.html (7,437 bytes)
2. RE: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Rocky Entriken <RENTRIKEN/0003006623@MCIMAIL.COM>; Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:38:40 -0500 (EST); Well, of course it would be a SP Contour. More the question would be: Is it classed in Stock? But if SP is the *only* place they class a car (check Viper), then you caqn' still prepare it to the lim; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00316.html (7,863 bytes)
3. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: John Whitling <alliancemillsoft@worldnet.att.net>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:45:11 -0400; SVT Contours are classed in GS and certainly no threat there. Why oh why does this car need to be in ESP in street prepared trim? It's front wheel drive, non turbo. This has got to be a misprint. Joh; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00325.html (8,285 bytes)
4. RE: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Phil Osborne <posborne@minuteman-ups.com>; Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:45:23 -0500; John, the fact that it is a V6 is the reason...All V6 stock cars go to ESP in SP trim...been that way for a long time. Ask the drivers of several GM fwd V6's... Phil O. SVT Contours are classed in GS; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00332.html (8,787 bytes)
5. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: John Whitling <alliancemillsoft@worldnet.att.net>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:45:04 -0400; I guess it never hit me before .... we don't really have a V6 SP class! I would think that we need this much worse than we need ST classes, don't you?????? John Whitling; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00358.html (9,551 bytes)
6. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Joshua Hadler <jhadler@rmi.net>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:42:35 -0700; If anyone would care to look at the latest version of the proposed Street Prepared class restructuring in I think it was last month's Fastrack (or maybe two months ago), you'll see that the new SP cl; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00366.html (8,687 bytes)
7. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Loren Williams <Loren@kscable.com>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:07:39 -0500; Where else would you put it? With the little rice rockets in CSP? The little Euro-rockets in DSP? ESP appears to be the closest thing to a match available for a large V6 powered car in SP trim. ESP i; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00370.html (8,379 bytes)
8. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Woody Hair <woodym3@erols.com>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:21:22 -0400; Well the 6-cyl 3-series BMW sedans are in CSP. Sometimes the SEB makes no sense whatsoever. Woody Hair; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00379.html (8,147 bytes)
9. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Loren Williams <Loren@kscable.com>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:28:45 -0500; I wouldn't classify a 3-series BMW in the same league as a domestic front wheel drive V6 sedan. I think the Bimmer is another case of "where else would you class it?" It might not be competitive in C; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00380.html (8,379 bytes)
10. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Woody Hair <woodym3@erols.com>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:07:20 -0400; I think it's closer in concept to ESP, but would be a *big* underdog to a good Camaro V8. While we're on the subject, what's the 325i doing in BS against the nibble Miatas? Wouldn't GS be more appro; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00382.html (8,484 bytes)
11. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Joshua Hadler <jhadler@rmi.net>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:15:12 -0700; From what I've seen, it's not over or under classed in CSP. At least the M3. The smaller 3-series cars I think may be cars without a class right now, but the M3 is OK in CSP. I think it better fits t; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00383.html (8,744 bytes)
12. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Woody Hair <woodym3@erols.com>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:28:42 -0400; Yeah, the M3 is a little more competitive in CSP, but I think lots of 325s will continue to be driven on the local level. I like your comment that they "are cars without a class". Woody; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00384.html (8,348 bytes)
13. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Loren Williams <Loren@kscable.com>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:45:57 -0500; It's more than just displacement and general configuration. Ya gotta consider the car's inherent handling capabilities and limitations. (not saying that either of the mentioned cars are or are not pr; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00386.html (9,446 bytes)
14. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Rex Weatherford <rweatherford@mindspring.com>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:45:15 -0400; Or GM FWD 2.3L N/A 4cyl. ;^) Of course the Olds Calais Quad 442 was banished straight to ESP from the factory (aka Viper, Porsche) -- Rex Weatherford <--(now believes in the "quad-force") 92 Beretta; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00389.html (8,413 bytes)
15. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Woody Hair <woodym3@erols.com>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:15:56 -0400; I think you figures make a good case for the M3 to be in ESP. But even though I drive an '88 M3 (a totally different animal from the '95+ M3), my original posting was concerning the 2.5 liter 325s.; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00391.html (9,936 bytes)
16. Re: Classing changes (score: 1): Author: Loren Williams <Loren@kscable.com>; Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:24:59 -0500; I was actually trying to illustrate why it ISN'T in ESP. It appears as though it could easily be an overdog in that class. Here's where I bow out of this discussion. I'm not a BMW expert (or even muc; /html/autox/1999-07/msg00393.html (8,270 bytes)

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