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Yes, Steve is right...
We heard two incredibly-detailed lectures: one on the heater functions =
and controls, and one on the inner workings of the Manumatic, which was =
considerably easier to understand. (Not to say that it WAS understood!) =
There was one freak moment during my restoration when a flash of =
intellectual light struck me and lo, for that single moment, I fully =
understood the workings of the cowl-vent lever. This flash of =
brilliance was so full it struck me to the floor, totally exhausted. To =
retain that vast battery of comprehension, while simultaneously grasping =
the melange of cables and levers obtusely co-mingled so as to effect all =
possible permutations and combinations of cold or warm, fresh or =
recirculated, air, blown or drawn, through floor vents, or defroster =
vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside the car =
whatsoever is simply beyond the human realm. =20
There is little doubt in my mind that three extra-terrestials from a =
much more advanced planet landed in Roswell New Mexico in the early =
'50s, and teleported their spirits to Abingdon to haunt Gerald Palmer on =
three successive nights, leaving him with a heater/defroster design of =
which he understood nothing but felt inexplicably compelled to use in =
the new Magnette. In the meantime, the three extra-terrestial spirits =
returned to their home-planet where they were properly rebuked for their =
poor navigational skills - having landed in Roswell instead of =
Stonehenge where they had previously landed and built this circular =
stone marker to guide them back*.=20
*Although other archeologists have alternatively explained the artifact =
at Stonehenge as perhaps a petrified prehistoric, "monumentally" =
inefficient squirrel-cage blower - modeling the design of that unit =
replicated in the Z Magnette.
What else could possibly explain this design? No ordinary human being =
could possibly have designed this. After all, John Twist himself has =
exclaimed that he never understood it. (Really!!) We have here a design =
clearly emanating from beyond the human realm... Of course anybody, =
regardless of intellectual advancement, can make mistakes - whadaya =
expect from three guys who couldn't distinguish Roswell from Stonehenge? =
Why do you think I replaced my entire Magnette heater with a modern one?=20=
Allen=20
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Steve Kirby wrote:
> this will be of absolutely no help whatsoever, but when Fearless =
Leader Allen and I were in the UK celebrating the Magnette's 60th, we =
were treated to an explanation by someone, who obviously and actually =
did understand the thing (meaning the entire =
air/heater/circulation/defroster system). I can tell you that (NOT =
speaking for Allen!!!), the explanation was at least an intense 20 =
minutes long, and had to do with things like "when this is open, then =
air is circulating from here to there, which necessitates the #$%^ valve =
being open, while simulatanousely the excess air is being directed to =
the defroster, and exits out the @#$%^&. This went on for, honest to =
god, 20 minutes. I was lost after the 2nd or 3rd @#$%^&*. I've done a =
couple of B's, and there seems to be no relationship there whatsoever. =
I actually understand what happens, I think, in a B.
> =20
> But thanks Kelvin . . . I get this part!
> =20
> #2SteveK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kelvin Dodd
> To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections
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> Lets see if this works.
> =20
> From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rodger Shaver
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:35 AM
> To: zmagnette@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections
> =20
> I am almost ready to connect the heater controls from the dash to the =
valve. The slide control for temperature does two things, it opens the =
valve to allow hot water to flow and it controls an inner flap. How =
should the valve and the inner flap be set when I reinstall the cable? =
Maybe it will be obvious when I get into the car but not much is obvious =
to me when I am scrunched up. I didn't do this step on my prior =
Magnette re-do because I don't have a proper valve for it.=20
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break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; ">Yes, Steve is right...<div><br></div><div> We =
heard two incredibly-detailed lectures: one on the heater functions and =
controls, and one on the inner workings of the Manumatic, which was =
considerably easier to understand. (Not to say that it WAS =
understood!) There was one freak moment during my restoration when =
a flash of intellectual light struck me and lo, for that single moment, =
I fully understood the workings of the cowl-vent lever. This flash =
of brilliance was so full it struck me to the floor, totally exhausted. =
To retain that vast battery of comprehension, while simultaneously =
grasping the melange of cables and levers obtusely co-mingled so as to =
effect all possible permutations and combinations of cold or warm, fresh =
or recirculated, air, blown or drawn, through floor vents, or defroster =
vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside the car =
whatsoever is simply beyond the human realm. =
</div><div><br></div><div>There is little doubt in my mind that =
three extra-terrestials from a much more advanced planet landed in =
Roswell New Mexico in the early '50s, and teleported their spirits to =
Abingdon to haunt Gerald Palmer on three successive nights, leaving him =
with a heater/defroster design of which he understood nothing but =
felt inexplicably compelled to use in the new Magnette. In the =
meantime, the three extra-terrestial spirits returned to their =
home-planet where they were properly rebuked for their poor navigational =
skills - having landed in Roswell instead of Stonehenge where they had =
previously landed and built this circular stone marker to guide them =
back*. </div><div><br></div><div>*Although other archeologists have =
alternatively explained the artifact at Stonehenge as perhaps a =
petrified prehistoric, "monumentally" inefficient squirrel-cage blower - =
modeling the design of that unit replicated in the Z =
Magnette.</div><div><br></div><div>What else could possibly explain this =
design? No ordinary human being could possibly have designed this. =
After all, John Twist himself has exclaimed that he never =
understood it. (Really!!) We have here a design clearly emanating =
from beyond the human realm... Of course anybody, regardless of =
intellectual advancement, can make mistakes - whadaya expect from three =
guys who couldn't distinguish Roswell from Stonehenge? Why do you think =
I replaced my entire Magnette heater with a modern =
one? </div><div><br></div><div>Allen <br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Steve Kirby wrote:</div><br =
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lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" =
vlink=3D"purple"><div>this will be of absolutely no help whatsoever, but =
when Fearless Leader Allen and I were in the UK celebrating the =
Magnette's 60th, we were treated to an explanation by someone, who =
obviously and actually did understand the thing (meaning the entire =
air/heater/circulation/defroster system). I can tell you that (NOT =
speaking for Allen!!!), the explanation was at least an intense 20 =
minutes long, and had to do with things like "when this is open, =
then air is circulating from here to there, which necessitates the #$%^ =
valve being open, while simulatanousely the excess air is being directed =
to the defroster, and exits out the @#$%^&. This went on for, =
honest to god, 20 minutes. I was lost after the 2nd or 3rd =
@#$%^&*. I've done a couple of B's, and there seems to be no =
relationship there whatsoever. I actually understand what happens, =
I think, in a B.</div><div> </div><div>But thanks Kelvin . . . I =
get this part!</div><div> </div><div>#2SteveK</div><blockquote =
style=3D"border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; =
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margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style=3D"font: normal normal =
normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div =
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initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; =
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initial; "><b>From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"doddk@mossmotors.com" href=3D"mailto:doddk@mossmotors.com"; =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Kelvin =
Dodd</a></div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">'List for the Z Magnette Group - North =
America'</a></div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, December 18, =
2013 1:34 PM</div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] Heater =
control connections</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style=3D"font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Lets =
see if this works.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><b><span =
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">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; =
font-size: 10pt; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span =
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Behalf Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Rodger =
Shaver<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
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2013 10:35 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
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">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Zmagnette] Heater control =
connections<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style=3D"font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; color: black; ">I am almost ready to connect the =
heater controls from the dash to the valve. The slide =
control for temperature does two things, it opens the valve to =
allow hot water to flow and it controls an inner flap. How should =
the valve and the inner flap be set when I reinstall the cable? =
Maybe it will be obvious when I get into the car but not much is obvious =
to me when I am scrunched up. I didn't do this step on my prior =
Magnette re-do because I don't have a proper valve for =
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