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| Subject: | Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <zmagnette.autox.team.net> |
| From: | John Perkins <wrench@attglobal.net> |
| Date: | Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:56:31 -0600 |
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Arch:
I'm doing the reproduction with the wires in color and putting the
numeric codes and the legend that the factory diagram has so that
whether you print it in color or not, you'll be able to trace the
wiring. I'm working from the diagrams in my ZA vintage workshop
manual. Is there anyone who has a late shop manual with a ZB Varitone
wiring diagram who can scan it and send me the scanned image? I want to
be able to show the different options for clock illumination and
trafficators versus flashing lights on a single wiring diagram.
Perkins
On 12/10/2013 10:44 AM, Arch Boston wrote:
> Like most of the group my wires are mostly dirty oil color. But, I
> would like for mine to be in color. Might make following the wires
> path easier to follow. Unfortunately it is too cold to do anything
> with my car until things thaw out a bit, Arch
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 6:05 AM, "Wayne & Isabel Hardy"
>
>> Think I'll just wait for the colorized version myself. Since most of
>> the old wiring, now 50 + years old seems to be color free, not sure
>> if that will help us, but sometimes a piece of the original colouring
>> is visible.
>> I've found that a 6 volt drycell battery is a big help in chasing
>> wires of the apparent same colour, IF one has a good volt meter OR a
>> simple little test light circuit. I made my light way back when my
>> wife was driving a 1984 XJ-6 Jaguar sedan and occasionally the
>> electrics went on strike.
>> Wayne
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 06, 2013 2:10 PM
>> *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens
>> Wombat,
>> This too is a good idea. Let's see how many are interested, and in
>> what...
>> Holiday Cheers!
>> Allen
>> */****************************************************************/*
>> */Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs/*
>> */'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT/*
>> */North Street, MI 48049, USA/*
>> */http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs/*
>> */****************************************************************/*
>> On Dec 6, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Dave Wahl wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Mr. Wombat, I would take one. Dave Wahl
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 6, 2013 9:45 AM
>>> *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens
>>> Allen;
>>> O.K. I got us a decent blown up copy..very readable with the color
>>> code guide on the bottom. Maybe next week early I'll go into the big
>>> city where there is an Office Depot and get several sheets
>>> laminated. How many do we need???
>>> Oh Yes..how badly are they needed?? That will help me determine a
>>> $$$$ value of each one, Really
>>> need =High $$$$$ value right??
>>> Actually I don't remember what the Depot gets for 11 X 17 sheet
>>> laminating but it's pretty cheap.
>>> Wombat
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 06, 2013 12:28 AM
>>> *Subject:* [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens
>>> In a recent phone conversation with one of our own, two concerns
>>> arose which I promised to address about a week ago. I apologize for
>>> the delay, but my past week has been memorable for its interruptions.
>>> Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1.) Is there somebody in our noble band who either could or
>>> would be interested in making up enlarged wiring diagrams for
>>> the Magnette. I know there are at least four of them, and maybe
>>> some choices would have to be made, but did somebody volunteer
>>> that they could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy either
>>> laminated or suitable for lamination? If you are not such a
>>> person but have access to equipment that could produce same, for
>>> a PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales of two of these from
>>> the get-go. I know we discussed this at some time but cannot
>>> recall how we left it.
>>> 2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two ago,
>>> and somebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US
>>> distribution center (somewhere in Ohio?) from which we might be
>>> able to expect a supply of new windscreens. Is there a
>>> follow-up story here? There are those of us who either need one
>>> or would buy one as a spare should they become available. Once
>>> again, any new information about this would certainly be
>>> welcome. I know the nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to
>>> land a shipment of windscreens and rear Varitone glasses here in
>>> the US of A. I suspect a good many of those of us of the
>>> Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a stash of these
>>> bits available in North America, but I wouldn't wish this task
>>> on Steve again for anything. So... can anybody report anything
>>> new on this concern?
>>>
>>> Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this conversation!
>>> Holiday Cheers,
>>> Allen
>>> */****************************************************************/*
>>> */Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs/*
>>> */'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT/*
>>> */North Street, MI 48049, USA/*
>>> */http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs/*
>>> */****************************************************************/*
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Arch:<br>
I'm doing the reproduction with the wires in color and
putting
the numeric codes and the legend that the factory diagram has so
that whether you print it in color or not, you'll be able to trace
the wiring. I'm working from the diagrams in my ZA vintage
workshop manual. Is there anyone who has a late shop manual with
a ZB Varitone wiring diagram who can scan it and send me the
scanned image? I want to be able to show the different options
for clock illumination and trafficators versus flashing lights on
a single wiring diagram.<br>
Perkins<br>
<br>
On 12/10/2013 10:44 AM, Arch Boston wrote:<br>
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<div>Like most of the group my wires are mostly dirty oil color.
But, I would like for mine to be in color. Might make
following the wires path easier to follow. Unfortunately it is
too cold to do anything with my car until things thaw out a bit,
Arch<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</div>
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On Dec 10, 2013, at 6:05 AM, "Wayne & Isabel Hardy" <<a
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<div><font size="4">Think I’ll just wait for the colorized
version myself. Since most of the old wiring, now 50 +
years old seems to be color free, not sure if that
will help us, but sometimes a piece of the original
colouring is visible.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">I’ve found that a 6 volt drycell
battery is a big help in chasing wires of the apparent
same colour, IF one has a good volt meter OR a simple
little test light circuit. I made my light way back
when my wife was driving a 1984 XJ-6 Jaguar sedan and
occasionally the electrics went on strike.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">Wayne</font></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
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title="bachldrs@comcast.net"
href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net";>Allen
Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 06, 2013 2:10 PM</div>
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title="zmagnette@autox.team.net"
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the Z Magnette Group - North America</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams
and windscreens</div>
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<div>This too is a good idea. Let's see how many are
interested, and in what...</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Holiday Cheers!</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div>On Dec 6, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Dave Wahl wrote:</div>
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<div>Dear Mr. Wombat, I would take one. Dave
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 6,
2013 9:45 AM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette]
Wiring diagrams and windscreens</div>
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<div><font size="4">Allen;</font></div>
<div><font size="4">O.K. I got us a
decent blown up copy..very
readable with the color code guide
on the bottom. Maybe next week
early I’ll go into the big city
where there is an Office Depot and
get several sheets laminated. How
many do we need??? </font></div>
<div><font size="4">Oh Yes..how badly
are they needed?? That will help
me determine a $$$$ value of each
one, Really </font></div>
<div><font size="4">need =High $$$$$
value right??</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Actually I don’t
remember what the Depot gets for
11 X 17 sheet laminating but it’s
pretty cheap.</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">Wombat</font></div>
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<div style="font-color:
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="bachldrs@comcast.net"
href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net";>Allen Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday,
December 06, 2013 12:28 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a
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title="zmagnette@autox.team.net"
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<div><b>Subject:</b> [Zmagnette]
Wiring diagrams and
windscreens</div>
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normal; DISPLAY: inline">In a recent
phone conversation with one of our
own, two concerns arose which I
promised to address about a week
ago. I apologize for the delay, but
my past week has been memorable for
its interruptions.
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<div>Two questions:</div>
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<div>1.) Is there somebody in our
noble band who either could or
would be interested in making up
enlarged wiring diagrams for the
Magnette. I know there are at
least four of them, and maybe
some choices would have to be
made, but did somebody volunteer
that they could provide an 11 X
17 wiring diagram copy either
laminated or suitable for
lamination? If you are not such
a person but have access to
equipment that could produce
same, for a PRICE of course, I
can guaranty you sales of two of
these from the get-go. I know
we discussed this at some time
but cannot recall how we left
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<div>2.) We also focused on a
windscreen thread a year or two
ago, and somebody found that
Pilkington (?name?) had a US
distribution center (somewhere
in Ohio?) from which we might be
able to expect a supply of new
windscreens. Is there a
follow-up story here? There are
those of us who either need one
or would buy one as a spare
should they become available.
Once again, any new information
about this would certainly be
welcome. I know the nightmare
Steve Hanegan went through to
land a shipment of windscreens
and rear Varitone glasses here
in the US of A. I suspect a
good many of those of us of the
Varitone persuasion would be
cheered to find a stash of these
bits available in North America,
but I wouldn't wish this task on
Steve again for anything. So...
can anybody report anything new
on this concern?</div>
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Many thanks to anybody who can
contribute to this conversation!
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<div>Holiday Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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