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Also don=E2=80=99t forget the little filters at the carbs them =
selves...right where the fuel enters the bowl there is a little filter =
of super fine copper wire. It can get plugged too and restrict flow. At =
least my old carbs have the filters..maybe yours do too.

Wombat

From: charles durning=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:59 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ignition update

Back in a past life when I worked for a living I would run into the =
backfiring symptoms you stated.  I found that, typically. there are 3 =
places where I would look.  A plugged or restricted exhaust.  That was =
problem when car were fitted double wall exhaust pipes.  The inside pipe =
would collapse.  Another was a bad condencer, even if it was new.  I =
wish I still had my condencer tester.  and the last was a lean mixture.  =
All of those can come on suddenly, will cause a backfire through the =
carbs, and limit top speed.  I would doubt the restricted pipe but would =
not rule out a restricted muffler.

For the exhaust just put your hand at the end of the pipe and feel if =
you are getting any exhaust out.  For the condencer, just replace it.  =
For the lean mixture, check the fuel delivery to the carbs,  pressure =
and volume.  Replace the filter.  Check the draw tube in the tank and =
the filter screen in the bottom of the tank.  Have the needles fallen =
out of the dashpots in the carbs.

My Magnette had a combination of all of those that I had to correct =
before the car would run right.  It would run but not well.=20


Charlie Durning

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On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Fletcher Millmore =
<gofanu@cust.usachoice.net> wrote:

  If changing the coil "fixed it" but it then got worse, it likely had =
nothing to do with the coil.  And the old coil was providing spark - a =
coil cannot tell which cylinder is firing, so should usually be the same =
on all holes.
  It is possible that a "better coil" would hide and/or exacerbate some =
other deficiency, like low voltage to the coil, or faults in the HT =
side.

  Check the internal earth lead from the points plate to the distributor =
body - they break with age, and cause just this sort of behavior. The =
break will be (usually) at one end, but if not the super  fine braid =
wire will pull out of the braided silk insulation. It is not rare that =
these have been replaced by inappropriate stiff wire, which fails =
quickly.

  If that is not it, call back with an updated sequential and complete =
listing of exactly what has been done/changed and results.

  FRM=20

  On 10/30/2013 7:11 PM, jtdbrough2@netzero.com wrote:


    I guess the car just didn't want to go to a show. Dennis replaced =
the coil and it seemed to work fine. The next morning however it started =
backfiring  A LOT and in juice as it wouldn't go above 40 and then it =
would go at speed. possibly wobbly wheel then started up as well. =
Fiddling with the distributer seemed to help some of the back firing =
issue but it kept happening. so the car stayed home (started working =
just fine when we got to within a mile of the house or so go figure-more =
than a mile away not so much whether coming or going) and we went.

    Buckey suggested checking the dashpots which Dennis hadn't thought =
to do. Anyone else have any suggestions? I left to go look at cars so =
othter than dashpots I didn;t get the impression that there were =
anyother suggestions.=20
    Joyce


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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Also don=E2=80=99t forget the little filters at the =
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fine copper wire. It can get plugged too and restrict flow. At least my =
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carbs have the filters..maybe yours do too.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Wombat</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] ignition update</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Back in a past life when I worked for a living I would run into the =

backfiring symptoms you stated.&nbsp; I found that, typically. there are =
3=20
places where I would look.&nbsp; A plugged or restricted exhaust.&nbsp; =
That was=20
problem when car were fitted double wall exhaust pipes.&nbsp; The inside =
pipe=20
would collapse.&nbsp; Another was a bad condencer, even if it was =
new.&nbsp; I=20
wish I still had my condencer tester.&nbsp; and the last was a lean=20
mixture.&nbsp; All of those can come on suddenly, will cause a backfire =
through=20
the carbs, and limit top speed.&nbsp; I would doubt the restricted pipe =
but=20
would not rule out a restricted muffler.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>For the exhaust just put your hand at the end of the pipe and feel =
if you=20
are getting any exhaust out.&nbsp; For the condencer, just replace =
it.&nbsp; For=20
the lean mixture, check the fuel delivery to the carbs,&nbsp; pressure =
and=20
volume.&nbsp; Replace the filter.&nbsp; Check the draw tube in the tank =
and the=20
filter screen in the bottom of the tank.&nbsp; Have the needles fallen =
out of=20
the dashpots in the carbs.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>My Magnette had a combination of all of those that I had to correct =
before=20
the car would run right.&nbsp; It would run but not well. </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Charlie Durning</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is=20
watching.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Fletcher =
Millmore <SPAN=20
dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:gofanu@cust.usachoice.net"=20
target=3D_blank>gofanu@cust.usachoice.net</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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  <DIV bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">If changing the coil "fixed =
it" but it=20
  then got worse, it likely had nothing to do with the coil.&nbsp; And =
the old=20
  coil was providing spark - a coil cannot tell which cylinder is =
firing, so=20
  should usually be the same on all holes.<BR>It is possible that a =
"better=20
  coil" would hide and/or exacerbate some other deficiency, like low =
voltage to=20
  the coil, or faults in the HT side.<BR><BR>Check the internal earth =
lead from=20
  the points plate to the distributor body - they break with age, and =
cause just=20
  this sort of behavior. The break will be (usually) at one end, but if =
not the=20
  super&nbsp; fine braid wire will pull out of the braided silk =
insulation. It=20
  is not rare that these have been replaced by inappropriate stiff wire, =
which=20
  fails quickly.<BR><BR>If that is not it, call back with an updated =
sequential=20
  and complete listing of exactly what has been done/changed and=20
  results.<BR><BR>FRM=20
  <DIV>
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>On 10/30/2013 7:11 PM, <A href=3D"mailto:jtdbrough2@netzero.com"=20
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    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>I guess the car just didn't want to go to a =
show.=20
    Dennis replaced the coil and it seemed to work fine. The next =
morning=20
    however it started backfiring&nbsp; A LOT and in juice as it =
wouldn't go=20
    above 40 and then it would go at speed. possibly wobbly wheel then =
started=20
    up as well. Fiddling with the distributer seemed to help some of the =
back=20
    firing issue but it kept happening. so the car stayed home (started =
working=20
    just fine when we got to within a mile of the house or so go =
figure-more=20
    than a mile away not so much whether coming or going) and we =
went.</DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>Buckey suggested checking the dashpots =
which Dennis=20
    hadn't thought to do. Anyone else have any suggestions? I left to go =
look at=20
    cars so othter than dashpots I didn;t get the impression that there =
were=20
    anyother suggestions. </DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>Joyce</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><BR><FONT=20
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