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Tom,
Did you try putting an infrared tester on it to make sure you are really ov=
erheating?=C2=A0 My gage always shows on the cold side but in reality the e=
ngine is around 180, where it should be.=C2=A0 I'm going to fix that......s=
omeday.
Gary
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 04:00:44 PM EDT, Tom Stricker via Wpta <wp=
ta@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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Hey guysJust crawled out from under the car. Waiting for the MT90 to refi=
ll the transmission.=C2=A0After struggling to get the thermostat out, I fou=
nd the gutw were already removed. Note to self: Check maintenance records t=
o prevent doing jobs twice.Sadly though the overheating will require anothe=
r solution. Now I'm wondering about waterpump updates.Tom
On Monday, August 7, 2023, 08:42:12 AM EDT, Ed Major <ejmajortr3a@comca=
st.net> wrote: =20
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Tom, I suggest blocking the bypass hose too. Ed (M) =20
On 08/07/2023 7:08 AM EDT Tom Stricker via Wpta <wpta@autox.team.net> wro=
te: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks guys Red Line seems to be a safe=
bet. Spurred on by Ed and not remembering how long since my oil has been c=
hanged, I ordered some MT90. The oil should arrive tomorrow. Today I'm =
going to gut my thermostat to see if it is causing my overheating problem. =
I appreciate all the help. Tom On Monday, August 7, 2023, 12:14:06=
AM EDT, Clayton Yonker via Wpta <wpta@autox.team.net> wrote: =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 After the issues I was having with a j type transmission I=E2=
=80=99ll never use anything other than MT-90(thanks Jay) I had previously u=
sed straight 30 weight non detergent oil and 20/50 pennsgrade and had issue=
s. It cleared up the overdrive issue and haven=E2=80=99t had any problems s=
ince. =20
On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:59 PM Jay Galbreath via Wpta <wpta@autox.team.=
net> wrote: =20
In the early 80=E2=80=99s BL Factory recommended that all Triumph (Rover=
) 5 speed trannys have ATF. I still recommend 30 weight non-detergent =C2=
=A0oil for a B tranny. . Jay =20
On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 10:53 AM JIM UNDERWOOD via Wpta <wpta@autox.team.=
net> wrote: =20
I found that in my MGB, the OD would slip on a high RPM shift with gear=
oil.=C2=A0 Switched to ATF and the issue was gone.=C2=A0 I don't know how =
many times I had the engine in and out thinking it was the clutch hanging u=
p.=C2=A0 Ran into the same issue on a friends 79B with OD.=C2=A0 The TR8 ge=
ts GM syncromesh fluid which is a light viscosity.=C2=A0 ATF works as well =
and many use that.=C2=A0 Put Gear oil in a Rover 5spd and you will be grind=
ing gears until it gets hot.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim =20
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te: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For all of you still using engine oil in your Trium=
ph or MG gearboxes: And, by the way, when=E2=80=99s the last time it=E2=
=80=99s been changed? =E2=80=9CDirt is the enemy of all machinery=E2=80=9D =
=C2=A0 Ed Woods =C2=A0 =C2=A0 People confuse engine oil weights w=
ith gear oil weights. They have > nothing to do with each other. A 75w gear=
oil has about the same viscosity > {pourability} as 20w engine oil. Back i=
n the days when your cars were new oil technology expecially gear oil was r=
ather crude. 30w engine oil was=C2=A0 used because they did not have a gear=
oil that was thin enough. Light=C2=A0 weight gear oils are fairly new. The=
last 15 years or so. Gear oils are designed for shear stregnth. Meaning th=
ey cling to virtical surfaces. Engine oil does not. By using straight weigh=
t engine oils you are using ancient technology. It would be the same as put=
ting on rayon/nylon tires, using poor fuel etc. We use 75w/80 gear oil in a=
ll but our racing boxes. These use a 75w synthetic oil. One of the boxes, a=
pre-war jag box had over 30,000 miles of rallies on it before it broke a g=
ear tooth. There was no evidence of abnormal brass wear on the syncros. I h=
ave never had an oil engineer in 25+ years of business tell me that hypoid =
oil attacks brass. The light weight gear oils shift better and protect your=
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ata-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Did y=
ou try putting an infrared tester on it to make sure you are really overhea=
ting? My gage always shows on the cold side but in reality the engine=
is around 180, where it should be. I'm going to fix that......someda=
y.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false">Gary</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br><=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hey guys</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Just crawled out fr=
om under the car. Waiting for the MT90 to refill the transmission. </d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">After struggling to get the thermostat out, I found the=
gutw were already removed. Note to self: Check maintenance records to prev=
ent doing jobs twice.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sadly though the overheating wi=
ll require another solution. Now I'm wondering about waterpump updates.</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">Tom</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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cking the bypass hose too.</span>
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Thanks guys
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Red Line seems to be a safe bet. Spurred on by Ed and not remembering =
how long since my oil has been changed, I ordered some MT90.
</div>=20
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The oil should arrive tomorrow.
</div>=20
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Today I'm going to gut my thermostat to see if it is causing my overhe=
ating problem.
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I appreciate all the help.
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After the issues I was having with a j type transmission I=E2=80=
=99ll never use anything other than MT-90(thanks Jay) I had previously used=
straight 30 weight non detergent oil and 20/50 pennsgrade and had issues. =
It cleared up the overdrive issue and haven=E2=80=99t had any problems sinc=
e.
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In the early 80=E2=80=99s BL Factory recommended that all Triu=
mph (Rover) 5 speed trannys have ATF. I still recommend 30 weight non-deter=
gent oil for a B tranny. . Jay
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<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">I fo=
und that in my MGB, the OD would slip on a high RPM shift with gear oil.&nb=
sp; Switched to ATF and the issue was gone. I don't know how many tim=
es I had the engine in and out thinking it was the clutch hanging up. =
Ran into the same issue on a friends 79B with OD. The TR8 gets GM sy=
ncromesh fluid which is a light viscosity. ATF works as well and many=
use that. Put Gear oil in a Rover 5spd and you will be grinding gear=
s until it gets hot. </span>
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People confuse engine oil weights with gear oil weights. =
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same viscosity > {pourability} as 20w engine oil. Back in the days when =
your cars were new oil technology expecially gear oil was rather crude. 30w=
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u are using ancient technology. It would be the same as putting on rayon/ny=
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g boxes. These use a 75w synthetic oil. One of the boxes, a pre-war jag box=
had over 30,000 miles of rallies on it before it broke a gear tooth. There=
was no evidence of abnormal brass wear on the syncros. I have never had an=
oil engineer in 25+ years of business tell me that hypoid oil attacks bras=
s. The light weight gear oils shift better and protect your gears better th=
an any engine oil.=20
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