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Re: British parts failure update

To: agallo@pcfl.net, vintage-race@autox.team.net (Vintage list)
Subject: Re: British parts failure update
From: JWoesvra@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:57:17 EST
This came to me recently and I don't know if there is anything to it. 
Remember last July when we were looking into suspension and axle failures? 
This seems to have been pigeon holed in cyberspace since then.

Jack Woehrle


 So long in replying -- had 6500 Emails from last July to weed thru.
 My ex boss here in the USA (now retired) says the British had high
 tensile steel forgings that they either insisted on thru-hardening or
 lacked a good process of case hardening to retain a tough, malleable
 core.  Apparently when they've reached fatigue they break instead of bend.
 This was known here at the time he was involved with importation
 of engineless ACs for Shelby, which is why Phil Remington there
 specified US replacements for that car's spindles.  All cars receiving
 their engines over here had this done, sort of a preemptive recall
 campaign.  There was enough visual difference in the parts that some
 concours people have raised authenticity issues over the substitution.
 I think he said the originals were shipped back so probably only
 several carsets made the round trip for the whole of the production
 run!   I think Brian Lister dealt with a similar spindle problem.
 
 But, and this is dead serious --there is a potential epidemic of
 failure parts awaiting us, I fear.. There should be some test lab
 which can section apart any unfailed test part and then with Tinius
 Olsen tester verify if that is a potential root cause of potential
 failure in the whole class of parts -- the answer being to then
 commission a new run of CNC parts.  The alternative to CNC
 is to CAST replacements out of 17-3 Stainless casting alloy.
 That material, once simply heated to 1100 deg F. and air
 quenched is said to combine both 180,000 psi yield with
 good elongation (ductility) properties.  I am NOT the expert
 but can furnish two people to amplify this if desired -- the one
 I mentioned, and another a metallurgist specializing in stainless.
 
 Larry Gallo
 
 
 Jari Tabell wrote:
 
 > JWoesvra@aol.com wrote:
 >
 > .....
 >
 > > BTW, Jeff Mennen rolled his GT6 in the same race coming out of Canada.
 > > The cause  was a broken front lower trunion. I had driven the car in the
 > > grouprace earlier in the day!
 >
 > > I feel strongly that we need to eliminate these design failures whenever
 > > possible. This is real racing and the strictly by the book original spec 
cars
 > > are scary under these conditions.
 > >
 > > Jack Woehrle
 > > SVRA technical director
 >
 > That's another weak point that I have noticed with all Spitfire related 
Triumphs.
 > The vertical link at the front lower trunnion either:
 >
 > bend (with good luck): http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/link2.jpg
 > or
 > break (with not so good luck): 
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/LINK1.JPG
 >
 > Does anyone have any cure for that?

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