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To: Ccanepa50@aol.com, vintage-race@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: thicko
From: Brian Evans <brian@uunet.ca>
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:12:15 -0400
For what it's worth, I feel like putting in my two cents in support of the 
attached.

First, there is a separate team thicko list, on the team.net server, that 
much of the "private" banter is conducted on.

Second, Mosport is a fast, daunting track that breaks cars.  The track 
features enough high speed corners that, in a Sprite, you enter at least 
four of them flat out in fourth gear, without lifting when on a 9/10th's 
lap.  I can say this from personal experience since I once did such a lap 
at Mosport in a 1275cc Midget, gaining a personal best lap time out of the 
deal.  In twelve years at running at Mosport, at least 40 race weekends, 
I've only ever hooked up one  or two 9/10th's laps, no 10/10th's laps, and 
a whole bunch of 8/10th's laps that I've really enjoyed.  But I still 
cannot enter turn two at anything like a real race speed 
consistently!  Track legend has it that when AJ Foyt was running there in a 
Champ car, he spun so often between two and three that he refused to 
race!  Carroll Smith considers Mosport the toughest track in North America 
(if I recall the paragraph in his book correctly).

Mosport is dangerous for two reasons.  The first is that so many of the 
turns are taken at high speed, creating high suspension loads. If your car 
has any suspect parts, they get a real workout.  If you break, you're going 
very fast when it happens.  Second, the track still has a few bumpy 
sections, and lots of places where the wall is close to the track.  That 
means that if something does break, odds are that you'll hit a wall rather 
than get caught in a nice run-off area.  The track is in the throws of a 
radical upgrade, and by this time next year will be totally transformed.

All that said, I like Mosport and I'll keep running there.  It places a 
premium on car preparation and driver skill and courage.  The problem with 
Mosport in a Vintage context is that it does sometimes require a notch 
higher level of preparation and skill (or experience on the track, which 
amounts to the same thing) than people bring to it, and the courage thing 
often gets translated to recklessness in the Vintage world.

Well, I wrote all this stuff, and I don't think it amounts to a hill of 
beans, but I'm going to annoy everyone with it anyway.  I just seem to get 
set off when anyone implies, by word or action, that racing, at any level, 
can be safe.  Racing, at 6/10th's, 8/10th's or 10/10th's, is dangerous - 
I've seen bad accidents caused by slow, inexperienced drivers driving 
over-restored cars at 6/10th's, and I've seen the opposite, so I place no 
pre-judgement on who will cause the next one.

Cheers, all, Brian






At 11:44 PM 07/04/2000 -0400, Ccanepa50@aol.com wrote:
>to me it doesnt matter if I agree with the "on the surface"  flippant?
>attitude of the series of postings about the unfortunate demise of the RRB, I
>personally am relieved to hear the driver survived relatively unscathed and
>will  be out there again, I feel  that all of us benefit from the sobering
>experience of that driver, anyone who thinks that he or she can prevent
>being a victim of such a event thru   a schedule of checks is dreaming and
>should wake up to reality, while diligent routine checks will reduce the
>chance for  such events, to think that they can be eliminated is truly the
>joke here......even if you only drive at '80%', on a old car 'something' will
>eventually fail, or, something will happen in front of you on the track, and
>if you happen to be in the wrong place  you will become the  passenger in
>such an experience, while i firmly believe and participate in the concept of
>routine checking of stressed parts, serious scrutiny  and preperation of the
>car AND IN THE LIBERRAL USE OF NON-VINTAGE SAFETY PRODUCTS like fuel
>cells-onboard fire systems, better than minimum  roll cages, wrist
>restraints, 3 layer suits, etc.....we  can reduce    our exposure but will
>never be imune from being a participant to  such a experience.......reality
>can be avoided for so long..... but then its gonna  smack you right up side
>the head...........if you think it wont happen to you.....you're probably
>next............
>chuck canepa, sanfrancisco, vintage sprite   (& ITA/E RX7, where i can go
>100% racing)

Brian Evans
Director, Strategic Accounts
UUNET, An MCI WorldCom Company


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