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Greg
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Ah yes, I recall Randall=E2=80=99s discussion on that. It needs a Zener =
diode for 12VDC. There are several areas Randall and I collaborated on =
electrical issues with Stags way back then.
=20
I=E2=80=99ll do some searching on that to see if I can find the =
reference in the digest archives.
=20
Thanks for rattling the brain cells!
=20
Glenn Merrell, CAP
StagByTriumph Garage
aka Stag-By-Triumph Garage (on FaceBook)
Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone =
chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the =
occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D
=20
=20
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From: Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com>=20
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 6:51 PM
To: stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
=20
Glenn, I had the same issue. The turn signal light reverses polarity, =
flows one way for left and the other for right. An incandescent doesn't =
care, but an LED does. I had to add a little electric solid state =
doohickey to the circuit to make it work both ways. Randall (RIP) =
helped me solve that mystery. An electronics guru will be able to tell =
you what you need. CZT or something like that.
=20
Greg Lemon TR250
=20
On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM <stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org =
Andrew,
Correct, an electronic three spade flasher works for having =
LED=E2=80=99s for turn signals and also the turn indicator. =20
=20
A caveat though to people looking for dash LED=E2=80=99s: there are some =
German made LED-s that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw =
base and the lens. It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on =
the metal socket, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style =
indicator lamp holder socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six =
of them), they short out one wire to ground. Beware. Always get the =
lower wattage non-heatsink style as they are plenty bright. The only =
ones that does not matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with =
white tracer) because they use the instrument case as the ground path to =
the black wire screwed onto the instrument mounting post.
=20
A dimmable 12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of =
those in a screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the =
IGN indicator.
=20
And if your instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to =
cheese, we have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D =
printing forum) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets.=20
=20
So here is a challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look =
into as of yet: =20
=20
My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not =
the right turn. All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function =
correctly. The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in the =
gauge does not flash for right turns. The electronic flasher unit has a =
good audible synthesized =E2=80=9Cclicking=E2=80=9D when the turn =
signals are active both left and right turns.
=20
Not yet ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed =
inside the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the =
harness.
=20
Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
=20
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net =
uprichard.net <http://uprichard.net>=20
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
=20
OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning =
lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.
=20
It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an =
LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).
=20
But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.
=20
Andrew
=20
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
auprichard uprichard.net <http://uprichard.net> =
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
=20
That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a =
minimum current to operate. Since this is a three-terminal unit with =
the third wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal =
electronic flasher will not work. And the electronic units may be =
Neg-Ground only.
=20
Dave=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net =
<http://uprichard.net> <auprichard@uprichard.net =
=20
=20
All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with =
LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the =
original bulbs for the warning lamps.
=20
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net =
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
=20
https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car
=20
=20
From: auprichard uprichard.net <http://uprichard.net> =
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator
=20
I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but =
that=E2=80=99s just me.
=20
An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers =
on at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a =
narrow belt. =20
=20
I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be =
wrong. You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative =
ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.
=20
Not sure about the reference to LEDs: my understanding is that there =
really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.
=20
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
=20
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net =
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
=20
Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion. Since =
the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or =
if at all. It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected =
(unlike the engine). how can I test it?
=20
Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no =
interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup =
(little joke there) or go back to a generator?
=20
Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator? =20
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/grglmn@gmail.com
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Greg<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ah yes, I =
recall Randall=E2=80=99s discussion on that.=C2=A0 It needs a Zener =
diode for 12VDC.=C2=A0 There are several areas Randall and I =
collaborated on electrical issues with Stags way back =
then.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ll do some searching on that to see if I can =
find the reference in the digest archives.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks for =
rattling the brain cells!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Glenn Merrell, CAP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>StagByTriumph =
Garage<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>aka Stag-By-Triumph Garage (<i>on =
FaceBook</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles =
on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the =
windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the occasional smell of =
manure!=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Greg Lemon =
<grglmn@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 6:51 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] =
generator vs alternator<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Glenn, =
I had the same issue. The turn signal light reverses polarity, =
flows one way for left and the other for right. An incandescent =
doesn't care, but an LED does. I had to add a little electric =
solid state doohickey to the circuit to make it work both ways. =
Randall (RIP) helped me solve that mystery. An electronics guru =
will be able to tell you what you need. CZT or something like =
that.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Greg Lemon TR250<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM <<a =
href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org";>stagbytriumph@triumphst=
agclub.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Andrew,<o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Correct, an =
electronic three spade flasher works for having LED=E2=80=99s for turn =
signals and also the turn indicator. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A caveat =
though to people looking for dash LED=E2=80=99s: there are some German =
made LED-s that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base =
and the lens. It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on =
the metal socket, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style =
indicator lamp holder socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six =
of them), they short out one wire to ground. Beware. Always =
get the lower wattage non-heatsink style as they are plenty =
bright. The only ones that does not matter are the instrument =
lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) because they use the instrument =
case as the ground path to the black wire screwed onto the instrument =
mounting post.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A dimmable =
12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of those in a =
screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the IGN =
indicator.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And if your =
instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to cheese, we =
have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D printing =
forum) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So here is =
a challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look into as of =
yet: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My TR250 =
dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not the right =
turn. All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function =
correctly. The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in =
the gauge does not flash for right turns. The electronic flasher =
unit has a good audible synthesized =E2=80=9Cclicking=E2=80=9D when the =
turn signals are active both left and right turns.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Not yet =
ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed inside =
the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the =
harness.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Glenn aka =
StagByTriumph Garage<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf =
Of </b>auprichard <a href=3D"http://uprichard.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">uprichard.net</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, =
2023 1:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">dave1massey@cs.com</a>>; dave northrup <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>>; triumph list list <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] generator vs alternator<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>OK, I was =
getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning lamps and =
the TR3 which obviously only has two.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>It is =
possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an =
LED-compatible flasher (which I did from =
LiteZupp).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>But there =
was no alternative for the ignition lamp.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
DAVID MASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">dave1massey@cs.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, =
July 8, 2023 12:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> dave northrup <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>>; triumph list <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>>; auprichard <a =
href=3D"http://uprichard.net"; target=3D"_blank">uprichard.net</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [TR] generator vs alternator<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>That is =
probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum =
current to operate. Since this is a three-terminal unit with the =
third wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal =
electronic flasher will not work. And the electronic units may be =
Neg-Ground only.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yahoo_quoted_9772539360"><div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard <a =
href=3D"http://uprichard.net"; target=3D"_blank">uprichard.net</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>> wrote: =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
id=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768"><div><div><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>All I can say is I just replaced all the =
bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d =
have to stick with the original bulbs for the warning =
lamps.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768yqt77354"><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf =
Of </b>dave northrup<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list list <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] generator vs alternator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><a href=3D"https://litezupp.com/"; =
target=3D"_blank">https://litezupp.com/</a> can replace every bulb in =
almost every car</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> auprichard <a href=3D"http://uprichard.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">uprichard.net</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave northrup <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>>; triumph list list <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
generator vs alternator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>I =
would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but =
that=E2=80=99s just me.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>An alternator is a significant upgrade (you =
can have lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require =
different pulleys if it is a narrow belt. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>I =
thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be =
wrong. You can also stick with the generator and convert to =
negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical =
appliances.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>Not sure about the reference to LEDs: =
my understanding is that there really is no LED alternative for =
the dash warning lights.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>Andrew Uprichard</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>Jackson, Michigan</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf =
Of </b>dave northrup<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list list <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> =
[TR] generator vs alternator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion. =
Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator =
works or if at all. It is still in the engine compartment, wires =
connected (unlike the engine). how can I test =
it?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no =
interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup =
(little joke there) or go back to a generator?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator? =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div =
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