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Regardless of what is deemed possible and what is not.
1. I purchased a set of bumpers off of e-bay labeled as stainless steel.
The bumper has a slightly different colour cast than a chrome shine.
This winter it grew a lot of rust spots. As I remember the company was
based in Mexico. The purchase was about 14ish years ago, the rust is
from this past winter.
2. I hit it with steel wool and saw bright metal flakes about the
thickness I associate with chrome flakes.
3. A google search for stainless steel bumpers yielded A Vietnam company
advertising stainless steel bumpers. 1.5mm thick stainless steel, and
three layers of paint on the back side to protect it from the weather.
That's all I know. If it is impossible, how do they do it or are they
lying about their process and products. I don't care about the reasons
they could not make the products they sell. These bumpers looked good
for about 10 years longer than new chrome bumpers I previously purchased
and as I mentioned the colour cast was different from chrome. I didn't
complete the rebuild of my car before I could see rust on the new chrome
bumpers I had purchased.
TeriAnn
On 5/14/23 12:40 PM, stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Wooo HOOOO, the ChatGPT fact checker!!
>
> Go right ahead and believe the output of ChatGPT Ai all you want, but nobody
> should consider
> ChatGPT AI a fact checker (see its disclaimer) by any means.
> If you really want to go there, definitely make sure your doctor uses
> ChatGPT Ai to write your
> prescription and guide the cancer surgeon to cure you on your next doctor
> visit too. (Read the
> ChatGPT disclaimers)
>
> The Science:
> Although stainless steel plating "may be possible", it is "not economically
> feasible" nor "complete
> properties transfer", BECAUSE the technology has not been yet developed to
> take something like mild
> steel or pot metal and plate it in "stainless" BECAUSE the molecular transfer
> - the electrolysis
> does not transfer all the properties (ions) of stainless properties to the
> surface of the receptor
> metal. Since the electrolysis process does not transfer ALL the
> stainless-steel molecular
> properties content, it is not, and cannot be "stainless steel" plating
> BECAUSE one, stainless steel
> is a grade of steel composition, and two, not all the stainless-steel
> properties can be transferred
> using electrolysis.
>
> Why believe established engineering science as opposed to another all-knowing
> Ai deity?
> ChatGPT is, as it has been proven in most cases, incorrect, why? In this
> case, it is because
> ChatGPT does not state the grade of stainless-steel plating, and that can be
> any grade from grade
> 200 to Hastelloy C276 that BTW, cannot be tested.
>
> Using the term "solid stainless steel". It is like saying plywood or
> engineered wood is solid wood
> because it contains all wood products or, that a piece of jewelry is "solid
> gold" when it may be
> 24,18,16,12 karat gold content or even "solid gold" flash plating. If you
> want "solid gold" as the
> criteria, I have some to sell you from China.
>
> 100% and "solid" are marketing hype found only from hucksters, sales people,
> fraudsters and flashy
> marketing claims meant to deceive.
>
> Caveat Emptor ya'll.
>
> "My 'shine is 100% corn sour mash", but I add a little rice and barley and
> herbs to the mash for
> that family secret flavor, but it's 100% corn in that mash". Uh huh, the FDA
> has been playing that
> % game since the day it was formed.
>
> There are literally dozens of grades of stainless steel. Stainless steel it
> is not, nor has it ever
> been graded by "solid" or 100%. Stainless steel composition is set by
> standards written by various
> engineers to address specific hardness , wear and corrosion properties, then
> set to a "GRADE".
>
> 316 stainless steel, or Hastelloy C276, now that I can understand as being
> stainless steel. 100%
> or Solid are meaningless.
>
> I have spent the better part of 50 years automating control systems for all
> sorts of processes from
> apple pealing and produce processing, semiconductors, nuclear power, Watson
> Ai, ultra-pure water
> production to x-ray imaging and xenon gas detection, and a large part of that
> job was to know metals
> the metals used in those machines or processes, and most times get metal
> composition certified from
> the manufacturers process used in regulated processes like pharmaceuticals,
> food processing, and
> nuclear power instrumentation.
>
> There are reasons you do not want certain metals touching the food you eat or
> in contact with
> nuclear generated steam.
> Run that one through ChatGPT Ai and see what metals leach cancer causing
> molecules directly into
> your medicines or food and accept it as fact if you trust ChatGPT "facts"
> with your life.
>
> And there are reasons why "stainless steel plating" is also hype, as of today
> at least. I am sure
> technology will advance someday to plate 308 or 316 or Hastelloy C276 onto
> pot metal or mild steel
> and the process will be certified, but it does not exist as of the date of
> this email.
>
> I will gladly accept a show quality triple plate chrome bumper for my Triumph
> and it will last long
> after I am gone, because its corrosion properties have been proven to last
> more than 50 years. But
> if it is claimed to be solid stainless or 100% stainless, I'll want to know
> the grade AND polish.
>
> Here we go with another "fluif" worthless discussion.
>
> Another Caveat from someone who actually worked on IBM Watson speech
> recognition project: Be
> extremely careful how you compose OpenAi ChatGPT questions including the
> specific wording and
> ordering and grammar in that question, you may not get the answers you expect
> and will then blindly
> rely upon as facts.
>
> That is because OpenAI ChatGPT is not programmed nor capable to answer your
> question:
>
> "Do you know what I mean?".
>
> No computer program algorithm has of yet until you attach the bio-junction
> connection directly into
> your brain, and even then, it will probably get it wrong because some novice
> app programmer came up
> with the algorithm.
>
> Know what I mean?
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Stan Foster
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 8:39 PM
> To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman<tjwakeman@gmail.com>;triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> ChatGPT confirms:
>
> Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is
> known as electroplating or
> galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto
> the surface of the steel
> through an electrolytic process.
>
> In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an
> electrolytic bath with a solution
> containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then
> passed through the solution,
> causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.
>
> The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of
> stainless steel, which
> can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh
> environments or
> corrosive substances.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J.
> Wakeman
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
> To:triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM,stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>> Sorry Alex,
>>
>> You may want to do some fact checking. There is no grade for "solid
>> stainless steel".
>>
>> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over
>> mild steel technology exists a of yet.
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel
> bumpers for classic
> car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm
> and hand polished. The
> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are
> cover by 3 painted layers
> to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Regardless of what is deemed possible
and what is not.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">1. I purchased a set of bumpers off of
e-bay labeled as stainless steel. The bumper has a slightly
different colour cast than a chrome shine. This winter it grew a
lot of rust spots. As I remember the company was based in Mexico.
The purchase was about 14ish years ago, the rust is from this past
winter.<br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">2. I hit it with steel wool and saw
bright metal flakes about the thickness I associate with chrome
flakes.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">3. A google search for stainless steel
bumpers yielded A Vietnam company advertising stainless steel
bumpers. 1.5mm thick stainless steel, and three layers of paint on
the back side to protect it from the weather.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">That's all I know. If it is impossible,
how do they do it or are they lying about their process and
products. I don't care about the reasons they could not make the
products they sell. These bumpers looked good for about 10 years
longer than new chrome bumpers I previously purchased and as I
mentioned the colour cast was different from chrome. I didn't
complete the rebuild of my car before I could see rust on the new
chrome bumpers I had purchased.<br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">TeriAnn<br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/14/23 12:40 PM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org";>stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:000001d9869c$039aff50$0ad0fdf0$@triumphstagclub.org">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Wooo HOOOO, the ChatGPT fact checker!!
Go right ahead and believe the output of ChatGPT Ai all you want, but nobody
should consider
ChatGPT AI a fact checker (see its disclaimer) by any means.
If you really want to go there, definitely make sure your doctor uses ChatGPT
Ai to write your
prescription and guide the cancer surgeon to cure you on your next doctor visit
too. (Read the
ChatGPT disclaimers)
The Science:
Although stainless steel plating "may be possible", it is "not economically
feasible" nor "complete
properties transfer", BECAUSE the technology has not been yet developed to take
something like mild
steel or pot metal and plate it in "stainless" BECAUSE the molecular transfer -
the electrolysis
does not transfer all the properties (ions) of stainless properties to the
surface of the receptor
metal. Since the electrolysis process does not transfer ALL the
stainless-steel molecular
properties content, it is not, and cannot be "stainless steel" plating BECAUSE
one, stainless steel
is a grade of steel composition, and two, not all the stainless-steel
properties can be transferred
using electrolysis.
Why believe established engineering science as opposed to another all-knowing
Ai deity?
ChatGPT is, as it has been proven in most cases, incorrect, why? In this
case, it is because
ChatGPT does not state the grade of stainless-steel plating, and that can be
any grade from grade
200 to Hastelloy C276 that BTW, cannot be tested.
Using the term "solid stainless steel". It is like saying plywood or
engineered wood is solid wood
because it contains all wood products or, that a piece of jewelry is "solid
gold" when it may be
24,18,16,12 karat gold content or even "solid gold" flash plating. If you want
"solid gold" as the
criteria, I have some to sell you from China.
100% and "solid" are marketing hype found only from hucksters, sales people,
fraudsters and flashy
marketing claims meant to deceive.
Caveat Emptor ya'll.
"My 'shine is 100% corn sour mash", but I add a little rice and barley and
herbs to the mash for
that family secret flavor, but it's 100% corn in that mash". Uh huh, the FDA
has been playing that
% game since the day it was formed.
There are literally dozens of grades of stainless steel. Stainless steel it is
not, nor has it ever
been graded by "solid" or 100%. Stainless steel composition is set by
standards written by various
engineers to address specific hardness , wear and corrosion properties, then
set to a "GRADE".
316 stainless steel, or Hastelloy C276, now that I can understand as being
stainless steel. 100%
or Solid are meaningless.
I have spent the better part of 50 years automating control systems for all
sorts of processes from
apple pealing and produce processing, semiconductors, nuclear power, Watson Ai,
ultra-pure water
production to x-ray imaging and xenon gas detection, and a large part of that
job was to know metals
the metals used in those machines or processes, and most times get metal
composition certified from
the manufacturers process used in regulated processes like pharmaceuticals,
food processing, and
nuclear power instrumentation.
There are reasons you do not want certain metals touching the food you eat or
in contact with
nuclear generated steam.
Run that one through ChatGPT Ai and see what metals leach cancer causing
molecules directly into
your medicines or food and accept it as fact if you trust ChatGPT "facts" with
your life.
And there are reasons why "stainless steel plating" is also hype, as of today
at least. I am sure
technology will advance someday to plate 308 or 316 or Hastelloy C276 onto pot
metal or mild steel
and the process will be certified, but it does not exist as of the date of this
email.
I will gladly accept a show quality triple plate chrome bumper for my Triumph
and it will last long
after I am gone, because its corrosion properties have been proven to last more
than 50 years. But
if it is claimed to be solid stainless or 100% stainless, I'll want to know the
grade AND polish.
Here we go with another "fluif" worthless discussion.
Another Caveat from someone who actually worked on IBM Watson speech
recognition project: Be
extremely careful how you compose OpenAi ChatGPT questions including the
specific wording and
ordering and grammar in that question, you may not get the answers you expect
and will then blindly
rely upon as facts.
That is because OpenAI ChatGPT is not programmed nor capable to answer your
question:
"Do you know what I mean?".
No computer program algorithm has of yet until you attach the bio-junction
connection directly into
your brain, and even then, it will probably get it wrong because some novice
app programmer came up
with the algorithm.
Know what I mean?
Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";><triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net></a>
On Behalf Of Stan Foster
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 8:39 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.com";><tjwakeman@gmail.com></a>; <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
ChatGPT confirms:
Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is known
as electroplating or
galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto the
surface of the steel
through an electrolytic process.
In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electrolytic
bath with a solution
containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then passed
through the solution,
causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.
The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of
stainless steel, which
can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh
environments or
corrosive substances.
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";><triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net></a>
On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org";>stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a>
wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Sorry Alex,
You may want to do some fact checking. There is no grade for "solid stainless
steel".
I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over
mild steel technology exists a of yet.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">
"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel
bumpers for classic
car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm
and hand polished. The
gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are
cover by 3 painted layers
to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."
They plate them somehow.
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